Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

It's ok. I'm not a specist😃

Mmmmmmm sounds lovely 😍

I can offer freshly-pulled rhubarb, gently stewed with ginger and a splosh of maple syrup then folded into madagascan vanilla custard and served with a homemade shortbread finger. Am I in?

In the days of Rag Week and Rag Mags and jokes that might be a bit "off" i remember in the Twicker (Sheffield) a joke:

Clique - that's the door a Chinese door makes (it was in the 70s so i guess at the time of the Gang of 4 - not the band - so it was more topical)

I do wonder why people go on about it being an echo chamber or clique here, when we were sent here to discuss women's issues to spare everyone else's feelings. And then get told off for being in a small corner.

ETA: did i miss the picnic? i have some fabulous vegetarian scotch eggs, some walnut/stilton cheesy biscuits and a killer lavender lemonade thing.

I’m loving the large number of sane and clever women who also have excellent taste in picnicware.

I’ve packed my full set of Melaware crockery for endless cups of tea and some delicious Battenberg.

Oh come on, it's a women's rights forum, it is what it says on the tin.

That's like going onto a vegan forum and complaining that everyone there agrees with veganism and it's a clique.

Womens rights actually have been trampled, damaged and 'rolled back' by the political TQ movement and by the trans identified men who chose to take full advantage.

To complain now that these are 'rights' that they are having threatened -

no, they are not rights. They never were. The Supreme Court have verified this.

When a mugger whines and pouts that his rights are being infringed because he's having to hand back what he stole, that he likes having it and wants to keep it and he feels he needs it and doesn't care about the person he mugged who shouldn't matter any way because Reasons - should he be allowed to keep it? Or is it necessary that he learns that there are other people with rights apart from him, and limits to his personal freedoms?

This board isnt a clique - lots of people with lots of different views post here.

What has happened, over a number of years is discussion. And we've found that the root of the GC argument is nobody changes sex. So that what a lot of posters say.

Trans spaces haven't come up with an underling argument that stands up to scrutiny. So they talk about lots of theories - brain sex, sex as a spectrum, being the most vulnerable, if it looks like a duck, we might as well pretend its a duck, we cant know everyones sex with certainty - the list is endless.

So to some people looking at the boards/subs, here looks like a clique with only one opinion and trans places look like a place where everyone has a different view.

I think (but am not entirely sure) @CuriousGeorge80 is saying that previously posters were not allowed to criticise men who entered in women’s sports and were not allowed to ‘misgender’ posters / tw etc. as part of the talk guidelines. Moderation was more pro TW than pro GC on these boards.

Whether that does or doesn’t represent Curious’s views, that certainly was true. For a long time, regular posters got banned for referring to TW as AGP or for ‘persistent misgendering’ etc. indeed, there was that zealous intern who thought doxing women concerned about women’s rights was the best route to go down.

It’s only relatively recently that moderation has eased up on those aspects.

Otherwise, I think it’s the referral to ‘trans rights’ that is confusing. This is a trigger phrase because often it’s used by TRAs without ever being explained or elaborated upon as to what this actually means (looking at you UCU). Those who are transgender have existing rights under the law same as the other protected characteristics.

This leaves us with the only remaining question as to whether there are any rights - that those who are transgender don’t currently have - that people think they ought to? It’s that question that doesn’t seem to get fully explained by posters talking about trans rights.

Edited to add that the original OP had no intention of further engagement once they got what they wanted by being able to reference this thread in Reddit. Another bit of Darvo.

Mumsnet is a mostly female forum and yet people pop up all the time complaining that it largely centres women rather than being an Old Bailey style paragon of totally equal focus on all elements of society... the irony being, of course, that the reason people think it's obliged to be this pillar of blind justice and perfect morality in everything is because it's mostly women.

And this particular sub forum was set up because MN was one of the few places this issue could be discussed honestly, with clear honest language, so women congregated here, and it was given its own area partly to appease people who wanted it kept out of their way. And yet people still complain because it fulfills its purpose.

Maybe you'd prefer the Supreme Court?

You could always bring something to the table yourself to talk about.

Anything in mind?

It’s a bit of a clique on here where everyone agrees with everyone else

I've never been in a clique before; I'm quite excited😍

He doesn’t have a clue what being critical of gender actually is.

If caring about the rights of women and girls is cliquey then count me in!

Did your first comment which said pretty much the same as this comment that everyone bar one ignored (also posted around the same time) not have the desired effect you were seeking?

The majority of women here care about women’s rights and the threats to said rights due to gender ideology so yes, they are going to agree with each other. What a shocker.

Oh so you are agreeing with everyone else, and i guess you think bee is and curiousgeorge

weird take but fair enough 🤷🏻

Yes.

Ooh that's interesting. This is how my post looks while I'm editing but Mumsnet tacks a bit on the end when I save it. Presumably that's so they get referrer link commission?

@murasaki with Amazon, the item ref is the first bit after the /dp/ bit, so you can delete everything after that and the link still works.
www.amazon.co.uk/dewdat-Cooler-Padded-Thermal-Compartment/dp/B0CW5YQ499/

Why do you disagree with womens rights?

Or you know, some people agree about some things and because it is a discussion forum, they post their opinion there.

You seem to have your own opinion that you post here too. It agrees with some other people’s too. Shall we say you belong in a clique with them too?

It’s a bit of a clique on here where everyone agrees with everyone else

Fuck i forgot to mention the snowballs i stole from @Boiledbeetle

@ArabellaScott right i am making some egg mayo sandwiches.

i have a bowl of salad from my garden

And for the delectation of the meat eat eaters some Nut burgers.

I still have in my possession a carry basket from the seventies and a lovely gingham cover, to keep my picnic in tip top condition.

Who is responsible for the ginger beer?

<puts hair in bunches, skips to bus stop and awaits the number 000 to Reddit>

I see you mentioned some time back about not wanting to discuss this but you have referred to my post again (and misrepresented it) so I feel that I have the right to reply.

My post that you responded to mentioning your legal qualifications is on page 2.

At no point do I mention a ‘legal position’ or Equality law. This was my comment to you:

You might find it helpful to read up more on this - your characterisation of people in this board as being ‘opposed to trans rights’ is wholly inaccurate and may have coloured your concept of fair moderation.
You may want to start with the basic facts:
No one can change sex
Sex is important in some situations like medicine, sport, jobs and facilities
‘Gender identity’ has no real and fixed definition and relies totally on stereotypes.
Trans people have the same rights as the rest of us - most of their common demands are privileges which impact negatively on others.

As a PP pointed out, lawyers are usually quite careful with the words they use but you seem to play fast and loose with accusations to me - that I am ‘hugely invested’ in this topic, that I was ‘pissed off’ (when my comments showed no such thing) and now that I was trying to school you on the legal position.

What can I say, I'm a good addition to any picnic!