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Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

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BeeSouriante · 21/06/2025 00:07

Like I've had three posts removed

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BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 13:01

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

It’s an anti trans forum too

Hmm, what to do with this erudite contribution….

I give up - is it cake o’clock yet?

Shedmistress · 22/06/2025 12:59

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:56

I’ve got a Victorian rabbit jelly mould if you like?

My blackcurrants are bonkers this year - I would definitely say I’ve got a glut - although I’ve been mainly eating them straight off the bush. I love the sound of your jelly/shortbread combo - it might be even more delicious if it’s in the shape of a rabbit.

I've got 2 thornless blackberry plants and the numbers of fruits on the is insane. I might take a photo later.

Shedmistress · 22/06/2025 12:58

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

It’s an anti trans forum too

Ooh excellent. The USA Supreme Court stated that they had no idea what Trans even was, perhaps you could explain. What is it?

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:58

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 12:40

I'll leave the door open and put the kettle on😁

Can i come too - I can bring some more rhubarb, a load of blackcurrants and some baby courgette - the makings of a midnight feast? (If Arabella does her burglary at night, although coffee time might work better?)

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:56

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2025 12:31

a lot of people on this forum are not very nice

Hey-ho. Not everyone in the world has to be nice to everyone in the internet.

Anyway, right now I am discovering jelly in a big way, so I will attempt a very complicated and impressive blackcurrant jelly with pistachio shortbread. Just as soon as I find the perfect ceramic jelly mould.

The Reddit trip looks like it's been 82d, so we'll have to have the Picnic For Nasty Women elsewhere.

I’ve got a Victorian rabbit jelly mould if you like?

My blackcurrants are bonkers this year - I would definitely say I’ve got a glut - although I’ve been mainly eating them straight off the bush. I love the sound of your jelly/shortbread combo - it might be even more delicious if it’s in the shape of a rabbit.

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 12:40

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2025 12:25

Are you fucking kidding?! If you're not in I'm coming to burgle your kitchen.

I'll leave the door open and put the kettle on😁

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2025 12:32

potpourree · 22/06/2025 12:27

Several people on here don't have gender identities that they consider align with their sex. Are these people anti-trans because of this?

Self-hating nonbinaries is the very latest thing.

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2025 12:31

a lot of people on this forum are not very nice

Hey-ho. Not everyone in the world has to be nice to everyone in the internet.

Anyway, right now I am discovering jelly in a big way, so I will attempt a very complicated and impressive blackcurrant jelly with pistachio shortbread. Just as soon as I find the perfect ceramic jelly mould.

The Reddit trip looks like it's been 82d, so we'll have to have the Picnic For Nasty Women elsewhere.

Waitwhat23 · 22/06/2025 12:29

I'm anticipating the AI picture from Beetle of Arabella in a burglar outfit (complete with swag bag) half inching the dessert!

MarieDeGournay · 22/06/2025 12:28

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

It’s an anti trans forum too

It's a pity our posts crossed, SnowFrogJelly, mine pointed out that we support transpeople having the same human rights as anyone else, but you had obviously posted yours before reading it.

potpourree · 22/06/2025 12:27

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

It’s an anti trans forum too

Several people on here don't have gender identities that they consider align with their sex. Are these people anti-trans because of this?

ArabellaScott · 22/06/2025 12:25

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 10:30

I can offer freshly-pulled rhubarb, gently stewed with ginger and a splosh of maple syrup then folded into madagascan vanilla custard and served with a homemade shortbread finger. Am I in?

Are you fucking kidding?! If you're not in I'm coming to burgle your kitchen.

potpourree · 22/06/2025 12:25

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 01:38

It’s a bit of a clique on here where everyone agrees with everyone else

Can you give an example of a statement that everyone who posts on FWR would agree on?

I mean, you can't, as we don't even all agree on which Tunnocks products are nicest, but if you mean what you say, give it a try!

FeistyCat · 22/06/2025 12:23

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

It’s an anti trans forum too

No, it really is not. If in your mind it's 'anti trans' then that makes you anti women. Because it's a pro womens rights forum. To protect womens rights and spaces. It's no more 'anti trans' than it is anti-men. It's interesting though that anti womens rights/pro mens rights crusaders have found a way around saying 'anti men'. Because they know if they said anti men they wouldn't look good. Slapping trans on it gives people an 'out'. They can say it's 'anti trans' and still look good without looking like the anti women misogynists they are. It gives a veneer of respectability to misogynistic views that it otherwise would not have.

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:23

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 12:18

No lawyer would get so riled about being questioned without there being something else going on in the background. I suspect George has a serious case of Cognitive Dissonance. Either that or really bad toothache.

Yes, my thoughts exactly. There are some interesting inconsistencies there.

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 12:18

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:05

thinking that a lot of people on this forum are not very nice, is actually a bit sad.

Yes, maybe as a PP suggested, you reread the tone of your posts to me and consider the rather unpleasant accusations you have made against me and reflect.

I’m glad you have GC views and I’m sure, as a lawyer, you understand the importance of clear language and how this affects the whole conversation.

No lawyer would get so riled about being questioned without there being something else going on in the background. I suspect George has a serious case of Cognitive Dissonance. Either that or really bad toothache.

SnowFrogJelly · 22/06/2025 12:10

Shedmistress · 22/06/2025 09:02

You could always bring something to the table yourself to talk about.

Anything in mind?

It’s an anti trans forum too

MarieDeGournay · 22/06/2025 12:08

Before CuriousGeorge80 'taps out' permanently [I'm sure she didn't mean 'tapping out' i.e. a submission, literally] I might just catch her with this summary of the attitude to trans rights which largely speaking prevails on here:
To women, our rights and no less. To transpeople, their rights and no more.

Please note, you are not being jumped on, I am not being not nice, I am not trying to make you sad, I'm not being derisory, I'm just pointing out that one of the issues you raised, trans rights, as in basic human rights, are respected here.

BundleBoogie · 22/06/2025 12:05

CuriousGeorge80 · 22/06/2025 11:14

“I just find it a bit odd that if you have some slam dunk lawyerly arguments about which trans rights shouldn't be opposed you would be willing to share them, being a gender critical lesbian and all.”

Your latest response is completely disingenuous. You were clearly accusing me of making a claim which I haven’t. Given people have jumped on me for the language I have used not being entirely correct for this forum to accept I am gender critical, this is clearly ironic.

It’s also interesting to me that only one person has engaged on the actual point I made and has agreed with me in terms of the shift in mumsnet position. Maybe I didn’t articulate it perfectly but actually I think it’s quite sad that the base position of so many people on here has been to jump on me, and to assume I am lying about my viewpoint or background without there being anything of substance to back that up.

I’m happy to accept I used language that other people don’t align with on this site, I will take the learning from that. But the fact that I am ultimately going to leave this discussion, which I entered into with good intent and being gender critical myself, thinking that a lot of people on this forum are not very nice, is actually a bit sad.

I actually intentionally entered into correspondence with you because you seemed decent, but even then you have posted some pithy, untrue statement and refused to back it up or acknowledge it.

I am tapping out now, so won’t be back to see what derisory response people come up with next.

thinking that a lot of people on this forum are not very nice, is actually a bit sad.

Yes, maybe as a PP suggested, you reread the tone of your posts to me and consider the rather unpleasant accusations you have made against me and reflect.

I’m glad you have GC views and I’m sure, as a lawyer, you understand the importance of clear language and how this affects the whole conversation.

Kinsters · 22/06/2025 11:43

@DrBlackbird interestingly I think the OP has deleted their Reddit thread.

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 11:34

CuriousGeorge80 · 22/06/2025 11:14

“I just find it a bit odd that if you have some slam dunk lawyerly arguments about which trans rights shouldn't be opposed you would be willing to share them, being a gender critical lesbian and all.”

Your latest response is completely disingenuous. You were clearly accusing me of making a claim which I haven’t. Given people have jumped on me for the language I have used not being entirely correct for this forum to accept I am gender critical, this is clearly ironic.

It’s also interesting to me that only one person has engaged on the actual point I made and has agreed with me in terms of the shift in mumsnet position. Maybe I didn’t articulate it perfectly but actually I think it’s quite sad that the base position of so many people on here has been to jump on me, and to assume I am lying about my viewpoint or background without there being anything of substance to back that up.

I’m happy to accept I used language that other people don’t align with on this site, I will take the learning from that. But the fact that I am ultimately going to leave this discussion, which I entered into with good intent and being gender critical myself, thinking that a lot of people on this forum are not very nice, is actually a bit sad.

I actually intentionally entered into correspondence with you because you seemed decent, but even then you have posted some pithy, untrue statement and refused to back it up or acknowledge it.

I am tapping out now, so won’t be back to see what derisory response people come up with next.

With friends like these.....

CuriousGeorge80 · 22/06/2025 11:16

DrBlackbird · 22/06/2025 09:09

I think (but am not entirely sure) @CuriousGeorge80 is saying that previously posters were not allowed to criticise men who entered in women’s sports and were not allowed to ‘misgender’ posters / tw etc. as part of the talk guidelines. Moderation was more pro TW than pro GC on these boards.

Whether that does or doesn’t represent Curious’s views, that certainly was true. For a long time, regular posters got banned for referring to TW as AGP or for ‘persistent misgendering’ etc. indeed, there was that zealous intern who thought doxing women concerned about women’s rights was the best route to go down.

It’s only relatively recently that moderation has eased up on those aspects.

Otherwise, I think it’s the referral to ‘trans rights’ that is confusing. This is a trigger phrase because often it’s used by TRAs without ever being explained or elaborated upon as to what this actually means (looking at you UCU). Those who are transgender have existing rights under the law same as the other protected characteristics.

This leaves us with the only remaining question as to whether there are any rights - that those who are transgender don’t currently have - that people think they ought to? It’s that question that doesn’t seem to get fully explained by posters talking about trans rights.

Edited to add that the original OP had no intention of further engagement once they got what they wanted by being able to reference this thread in Reddit. Another bit of Darvo.

Edited

Thank you for this, I really appreciate it.

CuriousGeorge80 · 22/06/2025 11:14

WithSilverBells · 21/06/2025 22:48

If

“I just find it a bit odd that if you have some slam dunk lawyerly arguments about which trans rights shouldn't be opposed you would be willing to share them, being a gender critical lesbian and all.”

Your latest response is completely disingenuous. You were clearly accusing me of making a claim which I haven’t. Given people have jumped on me for the language I have used not being entirely correct for this forum to accept I am gender critical, this is clearly ironic.

It’s also interesting to me that only one person has engaged on the actual point I made and has agreed with me in terms of the shift in mumsnet position. Maybe I didn’t articulate it perfectly but actually I think it’s quite sad that the base position of so many people on here has been to jump on me, and to assume I am lying about my viewpoint or background without there being anything of substance to back that up.

I’m happy to accept I used language that other people don’t align with on this site, I will take the learning from that. But the fact that I am ultimately going to leave this discussion, which I entered into with good intent and being gender critical myself, thinking that a lot of people on this forum are not very nice, is actually a bit sad.

I actually intentionally entered into correspondence with you because you seemed decent, but even then you have posted some pithy, untrue statement and refused to back it up or acknowledge it.

I am tapping out now, so won’t be back to see what derisory response people come up with next.

Boiledbeetle · 22/06/2025 11:04

WithSilverBells · 22/06/2025 10:56

It's ok. I'm not a specist😃

🪲 I find myself wanting a bowl in real life now despite beetle me having licked the bowl clean!

Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?
MrsSkylerWhite · 22/06/2025 11:01

JsmeLegie · 21/06/2025 10:49

Yup. Double standards.

Generally, I find the other areas of MN absolutely fine. It's only really this sub-forum that seems to bring out the nasty behaviour in some people.

Indeed

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