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Why is this subforum so intent on removing voices that dont' agree?

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BeeSouriante · 21/06/2025 00:07

Like I've had three posts removed

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PregnantBarbie · 24/06/2025 00:06

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/06/2025 23:36

I didn't see that specific post and certainly not someone being told to fuck off for wanting to talk about race but I have seen non White (sorry, bloody awful phrase but in this case that is the point of commonality) women wanting to talk about their frustrations with White feminism and getting handwaved away with a sort of dismissive "We're all just Women dear". I'm white but I know I get pretty pissed off when men keep denying the impact of sexism on women because they aren't deliberately sexist, and I don't understand why it's so hard to accept the same dynamic might happen with race.

That thread was a good few years ago tbf - the white feminism one. The first one I mentioned was I think in the transwoman in hospital bed one that's still up. I'm not having a pop at anybody here, it was just an example of somebody posting something that was disagreed with and it then being reported and deleted.

The gist was that people were stating the common argument that usually goes "most men are fine but they still commit the majority of sexual assault and we can't tell which are the bad ones".

The poster basically amended the quote to point of that "most women are fine but they still commit the majority of child abuse and we can't tell which are the bad ones who might pose a danger". People called it bullshit and asked for proof, and then a couple of posters said they were reporting it, and it then got deleted.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/06/2025 23:36

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:26

I was just replying to the thread title. I do feel that a fair few regular posters in the feminism section can be hostile to those that don't agree with them and I've seen some posts removed which at face value didn't appear to break the guidelines. Granted, they may have had a history which only the mods can see.

Not just in the gender section, in feminism section in general. One of the first threads I ever read on here was by a Muslim OP saying she was grateful to white feminists for using their privilege to help but that sometimes they trangress by trying to influence things they don't fully understand like how some ethnic women feel safer in traditional attire.

Quite a few forum regulars got really nasty, told her to literally "fuck off" and we're calling her a man ("OK dude" etc). A lot of the more hostile replies were deleted so obv were breaching the forum rules. I dunno it left a bad taste in my mouth tbh. I feel like there are quite a few who preach about privilege but don't like it when the table is turned. And it's a common thing to call somebody a man if they don't agree.

Can't really be arsed to argue it chapter and verse tbh. I know what I've read and how I feel about it. Obv my comments don't apply to everybody on here but there are a few territorial types for sure.

I didn't see that specific post and certainly not someone being told to fuck off for wanting to talk about race but I have seen non White (sorry, bloody awful phrase but in this case that is the point of commonality) women wanting to talk about their frustrations with White feminism and getting handwaved away with a sort of dismissive "We're all just Women dear". I'm white but I know I get pretty pissed off when men keep denying the impact of sexism on women because they aren't deliberately sexist, and I don't understand why it's so hard to accept the same dynamic might happen with race.

WithSilverBells · 23/06/2025 22:39

Boiledbeetle · 23/06/2025 21:00

Best she brings more! I've eaten misplaced the 20 bowls I nicked when she wasn't looking.

Bloody hell. I've been blaming @ArabellaScott and it was you all along!
Just waiting for @greencartbluecart to offload some of her frozen rhubarb,then I'll get back on it.

Btw, I haven't drunk alcohol for years (migraines😭) but I have discovered that if I make a Pimms with just one or two drops of Pimms in the lemonade (and the usual mint, strawbs etc) it still tastes like Pimms and doesn't give me a migraine! Worth a try for any sufferers

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/06/2025 22:28

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 22:03

https://www.bakersbrigade.com/earl-grey-lavender-and-lemon-tart/

I'm not sure, but I'd give it a bash. And Lavender Tart would be a great username, too.

If I didn’t love being @SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius, I would definitely be LavenderTart, @ArabellaScott!

Waitwhat23 · 23/06/2025 22:23

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 20:17

Not read the whole thread (nor am familiar with OP's posting history) but I've seen what they describe tbf.

Somebody mentioned the other day that women are the main perpetrators of non-sexual child abuse and several posters called them a liar, demanded proof, and literally said "I'm reporting this post". The post then suddenly disappeared along with several others by the same poster despite the linked studies being legitimate ones published by the US govt.

The posting seemed to me to be on topic (as opposed to being blatant trolling). The poster was just disagreeing with the popular opinion on here and saying that if we can't identify the good men then surely the same goes for women - people were backing up their argument with stats around male sexual assault so she mentioned female child abuse.

I think the admin sometimes just delete posts that have a few reports against them and assume that the poster will message them to query the deletion/ban if they're a genuine poster.

Do you remember which specific thread it was? I'd like to take a look.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 22:15

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 22:03

https://www.bakersbrigade.com/earl-grey-lavender-and-lemon-tart/

I'm not sure, but I'd give it a bash. And Lavender Tart would be a great username, too.

Oooh, thanks, with Earl Grey as a bonus.
I looked at a recipe for a sweet woodruff tart today and it used 13 egg yolks 😮I might stick to making my usual woodruff panna cotta.

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 22:05

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 22:04

Yeah, lavender needs careful dosing which is why I'm a bit reluctant about trying any of the various coffee shop offerings.
I had a Nordic Spritz last year in Tallinn and that was quince gin, cardamom syrup, lemon juice and sparkling water, it was very nice.

That sounds bloody lovely.

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 22:04

I believe people should be able to voice their opinions as long as they don't break the rules.

Yeah, they mostly can, although sometimes decisions are questionable. Mods are human. If OP was fussed then the best thing to do is to email them and ask.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 22:04

SidewaysOtter · 23/06/2025 21:54

I had a lovely lavender creme brûlée once. Still think about it now, and it was easily 20 years ago. But it's a difficult thing to get right - a hint can be great, but a shade too much and it's Granny's Knicker Drawer territory.

I like a spritz but they've got to be bitter or dry, preferably both. But I'd prefer something like a Negroni.

Yeah, lavender needs careful dosing which is why I'm a bit reluctant about trying any of the various coffee shop offerings.
I had a Nordic Spritz last year in Tallinn and that was quince gin, cardamom syrup, lemon juice and sparkling water, it was very nice.

ArabellaScott · 23/06/2025 22:03

https://www.bakersbrigade.com/earl-grey-lavender-and-lemon-tart/

I'm not sure, but I'd give it a bash. And Lavender Tart would be a great username, too.

https://www.bakersbrigade.com/earl-grey-lavender-and-lemon-tart/

SternJoyousBee · 23/06/2025 22:00

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:05

Not saying I even necessarily agree with the quote I posted. Just that I believe people should be able to voice their opinions as long as they don't break the rules.

And their opinions can be challenged. But OP just did a huge plop and fucked off to Reddit.

The fact that some women are evil is a distraction and doesn’t negate the risk that men as a group pose to women as a group.

SidewaysOtter · 23/06/2025 21:54

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:32

One of the best things I've ever eaten on a plane was a lavender tart on an Air France flight. I was a bit dubious at first too but it was so good I still remember it.
Just checked and yes it's Costa that has a lavender iced whipped latte on it's summer menu.

I had a lovely lavender creme brûlée once. Still think about it now, and it was easily 20 years ago. But it's a difficult thing to get right - a hint can be great, but a shade too much and it's Granny's Knicker Drawer territory.

I like a spritz but they've got to be bitter or dry, preferably both. But I'd prefer something like a Negroni.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:42

murasaki · 23/06/2025 21:39

I remain dubious. You might as well make one out of parma violets.

Parma violets are ds' favourite Halloween sweet. He used to get all the PV from his friends who got some in their bags, he didn't even have to swap some of his sweets for them. Maybe we have "likes floral flavours" genes in the family.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 23/06/2025 21:42

murasaki · 23/06/2025 21:39

I remain dubious. You might as well make one out of parma violets.

Parma violets are disgusting. I’ve had a lavender Earl Grey latte type thingy which was very pleasant though.

murasaki · 23/06/2025 21:39

I remain dubious. You might as well make one out of parma violets.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:32

murasaki · 23/06/2025 21:28

Lavender??? I don't want a drink to smell like my granny's underwear drawer with all the lavender bags, thanks!

One of the best things I've ever eaten on a plane was a lavender tart on an Air France flight. I was a bit dubious at first too but it was so good I still remember it.
Just checked and yes it's Costa that has a lavender iced whipped latte on it's summer menu.

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:32

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:16

I have only ever reported one post but that was someone promoting a mounjaro sales site on a FWR thread.
A claim like " that women are the main perpetrators of non-sexual child abuse" isn't really an opinion as such, it's a statement that needs to be backed up. Did the poster supply any reference for this claim?

Yes, she posted several US gov studies. She seemed to be making her point quite respectfully whilst others were getting riled up. But I don't know the backstory I'll admit.

But it was the way people were saying things like "we see you. Fuck off with your untrue claims etc" and then were talking about reporting her. Then she posted some legit links and they were deleted by the mods almost straight away.

Maybe I didn't see the full picture but it looked like people just didn't like her pointing out the double standard and piled on with the reporting. I think the argument could've been dismantled quite easily with basic facts/data and would've been a better look.

murasaki · 23/06/2025 21:28

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:20

Back to spamming with drink recipes.

It depends how much cordial you add, the sweetness I mean.
Lavender is having a bit of a moment. I saw a lavender iced latte somewhere, Costa, probably since that is the only coffee chain out here and dd says she had a lavender matcha recently. I might have to raid my lavender bush in the garden.

Lavender??? I don't want a drink to smell like my granny's underwear drawer with all the lavender bags, thanks!

Waitwhat23 · 23/06/2025 21:26

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:04

I'm just catching up on the thread. It's odd that the relevance of my post is being questioned when there are dozens of posyers randomly spamming drink recipes. Isn't spamming again the talk guidelines on here? It is on most forums.

It's called chatting among a group of people. I've gotten loads of decent recipes/ideas/tips from threads before.

We normally get told off for posting cake receipes. I'm guessing people were looking for a bit of variety.

Just add recipe policed onto the list, I suppose.

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:26

I was just replying to the thread title. I do feel that a fair few regular posters in the feminism section can be hostile to those that don't agree with them and I've seen some posts removed which at face value didn't appear to break the guidelines. Granted, they may have had a history which only the mods can see.

Not just in the gender section, in feminism section in general. One of the first threads I ever read on here was by a Muslim OP saying she was grateful to white feminists for using their privilege to help but that sometimes they trangress by trying to influence things they don't fully understand like how some ethnic women feel safer in traditional attire.

Quite a few forum regulars got really nasty, told her to literally "fuck off" and we're calling her a man ("OK dude" etc). A lot of the more hostile replies were deleted so obv were breaching the forum rules. I dunno it left a bad taste in my mouth tbh. I feel like there are quite a few who preach about privilege but don't like it when the table is turned. And it's a common thing to call somebody a man if they don't agree.

Can't really be arsed to argue it chapter and verse tbh. I know what I've read and how I feel about it. Obv my comments don't apply to everybody on here but there are a few territorial types for sure.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:20

Brefugee · 23/06/2025 20:31

Hugos are disgusting - but that's because they are usually sweet and i detest sweet (I am in Germany, i have tried many many Hugos)

Spritzers are very common here, i love an Aperol because they'Re bitter. The other day i had a lavender spritz and it was awesome.

Back to spamming with drink recipes.

It depends how much cordial you add, the sweetness I mean.
Lavender is having a bit of a moment. I saw a lavender iced latte somewhere, Costa, probably since that is the only coffee chain out here and dd says she had a lavender matcha recently. I might have to raid my lavender bush in the garden.

Igneococcus · 23/06/2025 21:16

I have only ever reported one post but that was someone promoting a mounjaro sales site on a FWR thread.
A claim like " that women are the main perpetrators of non-sexual child abuse" isn't really an opinion as such, it's a statement that needs to be backed up. Did the poster supply any reference for this claim?

SidewaysOtter · 23/06/2025 21:11

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:05

Not saying I even necessarily agree with the quote I posted. Just that I believe people should be able to voice their opinions as long as they don't break the rules.

But they ARE able to voice their opinions as long as they don't break the rules. The OP (who doesn't seem to have come back) appeared to think MN is moderated in the same way as Reddit, when it's not, so posts are only removed if they've broken the rules.

Bannedontherun · 23/06/2025 21:06

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:04

I'm just catching up on the thread. It's odd that the relevance of my post is being questioned when there are dozens of posyers randomly spamming drink recipes. Isn't spamming again the talk guidelines on here? It is on most forums.

“POSEYERS” is that of the Parker variety 😂😂😂

PregnantBarbie · 23/06/2025 21:05

Not saying I even necessarily agree with the quote I posted. Just that I believe people should be able to voice their opinions as long as they don't break the rules.

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