Allison Bailey sues TRA vets

You'd think so, but Jo had no issue helping contribute towards the £1 million for AB's 2 failed cases against Stonewall. Jo also paid for KJK's flight tickets to give anti-trans talks in LGBT supportive NZ (we know how that went).

JKR is stinking rich and doesn't care about losing a few million here or there, and the money keeps rolling in because of movies and merchandise from a badly written children's book series that became too popular for its own good.

I have a feeling she is giving her money away to invite people take up court cases against LGBT-supportive orgs knowing most or all will end in failure just to cause harassment. Fighting a court case is very stressful, time consuming and costs money. Even if an org defeats an attempt to sue them they could be left exhausted by the end.

Jeez @Christinapple i should have known KJKs biggest fan would know the answer. You’re like her walking wiki page. Gentle hint though, the fangirling is starting to look a leeeetle bit stalkerish. Maybe tone it down a little. Just a little nudge from one doll to another 😋

KJK was abusive to a receptionist, abusive to the manager in a phone call afterwards and recorded the phone call without notifying them (this is illegal), then doxxed her surgery online causing it to receive abuse from others. The day after their phone lines were flooded from GC people and their patients weren't able to get through.

This was over a receptionist wearing a pride pin or something like that?

Hehe I know! Why did they take it away?

Bring back the 🤣 so the grown ups can play nicely!

I wonder if the vets not sending key staff as live witnesses may be related to the shifted burden of proof. So they're claiming without either documentary evidence or key witness available to be cross examined that Bailey was unpleasant to staff?

It does seem a little far fetched that Bailey would lose her temper over a small matter of poor service from a vet surgery when she managed to keep it through all the crap of the original court case.

Though there is also the general misogynist trope that women, particularly middle-aged women, who complain about anything are shrieking, shouting, whining, "entitled", "Karens". However right they are about whatever they're trying to get fixed. There are many people who wouldn't draw much distance between 'she reasonably complained about a data protection breach and our staff were upset about being in trouble about it' and 'she shouted at our staff and upset them'.

I imagine though Bailey must have a reason to think it's GC beliefs not sex discrimination.

There was an incident with Kellie Jay Keene getting deregistered from her GP practice which involved a receptionist so it's possible that this is what you read about.

Haven't heard that but it will be interesting to see if there is something like that. They must have something to have brought this claim but I'm struggling to see it at the moment

I thought I remembered reading about this at the time. Wasn’t there a trans receptionist and a misgendering? Wasn’t the ‘appalling rudeness’ a refusal to apologise about an accidental misgendering?

Don’t take it as gospel, as my memory is unreliable.

🤣

Ah, the General Public.
Can’t work with them, can’t shoot them.

Not directly relevant to this thread, but a client once tried to sue us for discrimination against his cat for being gay - not the man being gay - the cat! A solicitor actually wrote a threatening letter to us and the RCVS had to have hearings to consider the allegation ....

If they do please report back here!

I mean I'm sure there are captured people everywhere, but it's very unlikely that vets would either be aware or care what a client thinks on that subject, and very likely indeed that they would react badly to a client who is regularly rude and confrontational.

I couldn't tell you the GC views of any of our clients, but I could certainly tell you some I dread dealing with.

I agree that based on the article it all seems very thin but then the articles covering Sandie Peggie’s case were initially similar. Lots of important details missed or skewed. Theyre only part way through the evidence so let’s see.

Has anyone got a timeline? She was a client for many years and not a public figure, then she’s in the news for her case against Stonewall. If they can show a strong link to that, and the vets haven’t sent staff to give evidence about how awful they think she is then that does seem worth digging into… but not easy to prove unless she’s got something in writing

Read the whole thread. This is explained in detail.

I would like to believe in the professionalism of fellow vets and nurses - but when it comes to the gender madness I’m not so sure it can be relied on.
Look how many doctors are involved in transitioning children - absolutely ignoring ‘First do no harm’.

Our staff are verbally abused daily and have also been punched, kicked and spat at. We occasionally ban clients, but infrequently as then their animals would get no treatment as we are a very low cost charity practice and literally the only option for many people. The idea that anyone would care a jot about a client's GC views seems laughable, but of course they would not want to deal with a regularly rude and confrontational client.

I would be fascinated to read the outcome of this. I hope Vet Times will cover it in depth.

Yes but surely that's bollocks. That's just not how the law works. Just because the KC for the claimant said that, it doesn't make it true.

This is quite an assumption though - her case was big news in GC circles but could easily have been missed by most people not tuned into the debate.

I faced some nasty stuff at work for my GC views a few years ago and it took me ages to realise that most people didnt know or care about what had happened. For a while I interpreted everything as a response to being GC- if someone was a bit off with me in a meeting I would assume it was because they thought I was a terrible bigot and not the more likely explanation that they were tired or something unrelated. It must be even harder to keep that perspective if you’ve had the level of scrutiny, vitriol, and praise that someone like Allison has had.

I can totally believe that!

If JKR's fighting fund is taking this on, lawyers or a board will have assessed the prospect of success before agreeing to foot the bill. I would have thought.

Yet when recorded telephone conversations were reviewed there was no indication of rudeness from Alison Bailey.

I’ve got a definite foot in both camps thing here.
if Alison has a genuine case then fair do - it appears that individual discrimination cases are a significant part of chipping away at the gender madness. They cause distress to the injured party and I admire women’s tenacity in these cases.
However, aggressive and entitled clients make our lives unpleasant in practice and they’re not uncommon. Working lives for vets, RVN’s and reception staff are already emotionally challenging. There’s a reason why vets frequently commit suicide. If Alison has an unreasonable axe to grind, I hope she backs off.