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Freedom of speech in academia - OfS research finds sex and gender hardest topic to discuss

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ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 16:52

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74z8l8vkx3o

'The issues most frequently highlighted by those expressing concern were race and racism, as well as sex and gender, with women more likely to feel unable to speak out.
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Prof Jo Phoenix won a case for constructive dismissal with the Open University, and a tribunal found she had faced harassment for her gender-critical views.
She said she welcomed the OfS guidance, but said some universities might take more to change their workplace culture, adding: "It's like bringing a bucket of water to a burning fire."'

The polling from OfS:

https://www.officeforstudents.org.uk/news-blog-and-events/press-and-media/ofs-publishes-free-speech-guidance-as-polling-shows-one-in-five-academics-do-not-feel-free-to-teach-controversial-views/

'Sex and gender is the top topic academics feel restricted discussing, and there is considerable variation depending on context. Perceived restrictions on discussing sex and gender are consistent across the political spectrum.'

A stock photo shows four students sat in a row of a lecture hall, as taken from the side. Three are men and there is a young woman in the foreground. They have papers in front of them and pens in their hands, and are looking intently to the left, towar...

Be ready to be shocked and offended at university, students told

Guidance has been published by the Office for Students on new free speech rules coming into force this year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74z8l8vkx3o

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Enough4me · 21/06/2025 07:25

We've all seen it. The students know they can go after the female staff members. If the students post negative comments online about them not welcoming men into their spaces, for example, they'll be hounded out. Male students shout and handmaidens support them (all masked up with banners held aloft). Thus, female staff are controlled but male staff are free to express opinions.
The Universities pander to the money students.

DragonRunor · 21/06/2025 07:09

And with the specific issues around gender, more women are impacted than men.

TempestTost · 21/06/2025 00:25

myplace · 19/06/2025 19:58

Is it me, or do those stats read as though men are convinced it’s all fine, nothing to see here!?

Men- sure they have freedom of speech, the university prioritises FoS.

Women- yeah but, no.

I think this probably reflects differernt experiences.

For one thing, I suspect on average women are more likely to be sensitive to perceived censure from other academics. In my experience a lot of male academics don't mind being controversial, they even cultivate it in some cases.

But I think the bigger issue is which areas of study have more women compared to men - the social sciences and humanities are very female dominated in many cases, and those are the areas with the most issues around suppressing ideas.

SinnerBoy · 20/06/2025 22:46

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 20:49

100%.

It gives the impression that men breeze about without a care, while women are silenced, cowed, and attacked for discussing sex and gender.

Funny that.

As a bloke, that's my impression. Not in a lording it way, just observationally. From all I've seen, read and watched here, it's obvious that we brush things off more easily and are unlikely to be bullied over opinions.

I am definitely more aware of it in the real world, women apologising if I brush past in a doorway, or whatever. I try to make a point of saying it was my fault.

moto748e · 20/06/2025 22:37

That was a great result, obviously, and cause for some optimism I guess. But I worry that the dogma is so entrenched in universities.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/06/2025 19:57

moto748e · 20/06/2025 18:46

Isn't it likely that this 'regulator' will be as useless as every other regulator we've seen lately? Or will simply be ignored? Universities are too engaged with chasing the Chinese yuan to worry about tedious details like freedom of speech.

This is the same regulator that fined Uni Sussex a silly large amount of money for free speech breeches:

https://www.officeforstudents.org.uk/news-blog-and-events/press-and-media/university-of-sussex-fined-585-000-for-free-speech-and-governance-breaches/

I think they have teeth.

University of Sussex fined £585,000 for free speech and governance breaches - Office for Students

The Office for Students (OfS) has fined the University of Sussex £585,000 after an investigation found the university’s governing documents failed to uphold freedom of speech and academic freedom, as well as failings in the university’s management and...

https://www.officeforstudents.org.uk/news-blog-and-events/press-and-media/university-of-sussex-fined-585-000-for-free-speech-and-governance-breaches/

moto748e · 20/06/2025 18:46

Isn't it likely that this 'regulator' will be as useless as every other regulator we've seen lately? Or will simply be ignored? Universities are too engaged with chasing the Chinese yuan to worry about tedious details like freedom of speech.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/06/2025 18:33

myplace · 20/06/2025 14:37

If 11% of women said they didn’t feel free to speak, while 21% of men didn’t feel free, I’d characterise it the same way.

Men are twice as likely to be confident in FoS as women. That’s a massive difference.

Don't get me wrong a statistician would undoubtedly take issue with my representation, but finer points aside there’s a significant disparity in the experience of FoS for men and women.

All sorts of things could be behind it, including people being less likely to challenge men.

But that’s the feel of it.

Oh, I agree that these figures show a difference between women and men. I do think, though, that men can reasonably be concerned about what they say about men's lack of freedom of speech, as well as still more concerned about women's lack of freedom of speech.

myplace · 20/06/2025 14:37

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/06/2025 11:56

"In particular, a fifth of female academics (21%) say they do not feel free in their research compared to one in ten (11%) male academics saying the same."

I'm pretty sure that if 11% of female academics said they didn't feel free in their research, you wouldn't think that meant that women are convinced it's all fine, nothing to see here.

If 11% of women said they didn’t feel free to speak, while 21% of men didn’t feel free, I’d characterise it the same way.

Men are twice as likely to be confident in FoS as women. That’s a massive difference.

Don't get me wrong a statistician would undoubtedly take issue with my representation, but finer points aside there’s a significant disparity in the experience of FoS for men and women.

All sorts of things could be behind it, including people being less likely to challenge men.

But that’s the feel of it.

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2025 12:45

Catabogus · 20/06/2025 12:23

It’s very interesting data. It seems not to be just about sex and gender, or women, though - I note that international politics (especially Palestine, China, Ukraine/Russia) and race are both big issues too, with non-white ethnic minority academics mentioning much greater issues than white academics.

(Edit: typo)

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For sure; I've selected the parts relevant to this board!

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 20/06/2025 12:36

Catabogus · 20/06/2025 12:23

It’s very interesting data. It seems not to be just about sex and gender, or women, though - I note that international politics (especially Palestine, China, Ukraine/Russia) and race are both big issues too, with non-white ethnic minority academics mentioning much greater issues than white academics.

(Edit: typo)

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There have indeed been issues in those areas too:

freespeechunion.org/ucl-bans-lecturer-from-china-course-to-protect-its-commercial-interests/

tobee · 20/06/2025 12:30

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2025 07:04

I did like 'dispreferred'. It's a good word.

I think "immutable" is my favourite word nowadays. It looks nice and sounds nice as well 😀

Catabogus · 20/06/2025 12:23

It’s very interesting data. It seems not to be just about sex and gender, or women, though - I note that international politics (especially Palestine, China, Ukraine/Russia) and race are both big issues too, with non-white ethnic minority academics mentioning much greater issues than white academics.

(Edit: typo)

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/06/2025 11:56

myplace · 19/06/2025 19:58

Is it me, or do those stats read as though men are convinced it’s all fine, nothing to see here!?

Men- sure they have freedom of speech, the university prioritises FoS.

Women- yeah but, no.

"In particular, a fifth of female academics (21%) say they do not feel free in their research compared to one in ten (11%) male academics saying the same."

I'm pretty sure that if 11% of female academics said they didn't feel free in their research, you wouldn't think that meant that women are convinced it's all fine, nothing to see here.

Igmum · 20/06/2025 08:37

Excellent guidance. Realistically academics are going to carry on doing what they have always done (I am an academic). It will be interesting to see if any cases are brought. If there are hefty fines this could lead to a lot of centralised intervention in the curriculum - personally I’m horrified by the idea of this but it could well come. If it does then expect yet more protests <sighs heavily>.

ArabellaScott · 20/06/2025 07:04

I did like 'dispreferred'. It's a good word.

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SailingWonder · 19/06/2025 21:35

Really interesting guidance!

GCAcademic · 19/06/2025 21:05

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 20:49

100%.

It gives the impression that men breeze about without a care, while women are silenced, cowed, and attacked for discussing sex and gender.

Funny that.

Or that it's our own faults. It's our perception of the situation that's the problem and the fact that we are lacking confidence and conviction in our own professional status. Silly, shrinking women that we are.

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 20:53

myplace · 19/06/2025 20:01

The ‘shock’ issue… why don’t people understand that sometimes other people’s views are shocking, yet none the less we must consider them.

If we didn’t discuss shocking things, we wouldn’t have women in medicine; women in the armed forces; gay marriage; women able to vote; mixed race couples.

For goodness sake! Get some courage and prepare to endure new ideas!

Yes, we need to be exposed to counter argument. Test out ideas and debate. To foster a healthy society, and deepen our own understanding.

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ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 20:49

myplace · 19/06/2025 19:58

Is it me, or do those stats read as though men are convinced it’s all fine, nothing to see here!?

Men- sure they have freedom of speech, the university prioritises FoS.

Women- yeah but, no.

100%.

It gives the impression that men breeze about without a care, while women are silenced, cowed, and attacked for discussing sex and gender.

Funny that.

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myplace · 19/06/2025 20:01

The ‘shock’ issue… why don’t people understand that sometimes other people’s views are shocking, yet none the less we must consider them.

If we didn’t discuss shocking things, we wouldn’t have women in medicine; women in the armed forces; gay marriage; women able to vote; mixed race couples.

For goodness sake! Get some courage and prepare to endure new ideas!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 19/06/2025 19:59

myplace · 19/06/2025 19:58

Is it me, or do those stats read as though men are convinced it’s all fine, nothing to see here!?

Men- sure they have freedom of speech, the university prioritises FoS.

Women- yeah but, no.

It’s not you.

myplace · 19/06/2025 19:58

Is it me, or do those stats read as though men are convinced it’s all fine, nothing to see here!?

Men- sure they have freedom of speech, the university prioritises FoS.

Women- yeah but, no.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/06/2025 19:55

I just wondering how academia is going to square this circle, the guide seems to flying in the face of the 'knowledge' that is being taught on so many degree courses. If this is a guide to academia and academia isn't teaching anything like this they how can academia claim to be in fact academia. 🤯

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 19:48

I suspect this poll and guide are going to cause some ruptions, for sure.

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