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My DD hates that I’m a TERF!

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TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 20:59

My teenage DD says she is embarrassed of my GC views. I’ve tried to educate her on women’s spaces, women’s sports etc but she doesn’t agree with me and says I embarrass her with my views and not to expect her to want to spend time with me when she leaves home. I’m gutted but she will not change my mind. I’ve told her that my views are that a person cannot change sex but she has some trans friends and thinks that I hate trans people. I absolutely do not hate trans people but I do not think that TWAW and as such shouldn’t be welcome in women’s only spaces. Please help me navigate this. I fear that she will hate me because of my views but I cannot accept her views but I don’t want her to be embarrassed of me either 😕

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GCornotGCthatisthequestion · 18/06/2025 22:43

It's totally normal for teenage girls to disagree with their mothers. She might change her mind and come round to your way of thinking and she might not. This doesn't need to be a cause of conflict between the two of you.

Branleuse · 18/06/2025 22:42

Shes being incredibly disrespectful.
How old is she?

napody · 18/06/2025 22:40

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 21:50

I always think of this Mark Twain quote -

'When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.'

When she's got more life experience, she'll likely see the ludicrousness of the demands of gender ideology. Also likely over the next couple of years is that this fad will become very passe - it's already in it's death throes.

Oh I love that quote. So true.

MarieDeGournay · 18/06/2025 22:40

Let it go, let it go - I think you'll never convince her of anything because she's a teen and she's 1000% right and you're her mum and 1001% wrong.

I can just about remember being a teen🙄and I remember taking the most outrageously obviously blatantly wrong positions in arguments, just because they were the opposite of what my mam was saying!

We didn't argue much - 'children' didn't raise their voices to parents when I was a teen - but I am embarrassed now at the daft things I sometimes said just to be on the opposite side from my mother.

It was all forgiven and forgotten within 24 hours, and permanently relegated to the mists of time when I grew upSmile

You're absolutely right of course, and you can come back here to have that confirmed any time, but as far as DD is concerned - let it go, let it go...
[sorry if I've now given you that song as an earworm!]

orangewasp · 18/06/2025 22:39

Neemie · 18/06/2025 22:29

Unless she is trans, does it matter that much? Can’t you just agree to disagree and forget about it. Couldn’t you discuss things that she finds less embarrassing like house prices or crime rates. There are plenty of other issues out there.

I agree with this. People are allowed to have different opinions and if a civilised discussion isn't possible then steer clear, it's not worth losing your child over. I say this as the liberal lefty parent of a Reform voter.

Delphinium20 · 18/06/2025 22:37

At 14 and 15, my DD was a full-on TRA...crying, arguing, etc. to try to get us to see her POV.

At 18, her eyes were opened and she became full-on TERF (she is now 22, and still a rad feminist terf).

She tells us that even though she fought against us, she's grateful that we didn't give an inch on gender woo woo. We didn't push her or start arguments w/ her, but we did laugh at silly things like 'cis' and that little kids will tell you their gender and you should honor it.

We're also on the left, so of course, this was a supposed contradiction. Apparently if you hate Trump, you must also think TWAW.

wastingtimeonhere · 18/06/2025 22:31

My kids are adults now and generally GC overall, one slightly less but again a gentle kind man, he is idealistic but does know other men aren't kind, gentle and that humans cant change sex, only their appearance cosmetically.

Although with teens, its their job to find parents embarrassing and be oppositional. It's part of the process towards breaking away from the protection of family. It's only in recent years young adults are treated like young children particularly on mn ( rightly or wrongly) and some need to break away earlier than others. Too embarrassed to be associated with parents? Crack on kids, how are you planning on supporting yourself? Put up or shut up kid, wind your neck in. If junior tries the 'I won't be around you when I leave' manipulative behaviour, I'd wind them up with 'great news!'

Neemie · 18/06/2025 22:29

Unless she is trans, does it matter that much? Can’t you just agree to disagree and forget about it. Couldn’t you discuss things that she finds less embarrassing like house prices or crime rates. There are plenty of other issues out there.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/06/2025 22:18

Mumtobabyhavoc · 18/06/2025 22:15

It sounds like you are a bigot and she isn't. 🤷‍♀️

It sounds like it’s past your bedtime.

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 18/06/2025 22:17

Mumtobabyhavoc · 18/06/2025 22:15

It sounds like you are a bigot and she isn't. 🤷‍♀️

Is that you, teen DD?

My DD hates that I’m a TERF!
WithSilverBells · 18/06/2025 22:17

Mumtobabyhavoc · 18/06/2025 22:15

It sounds like you are a bigot and she isn't. 🤷‍♀️

Bigot. Damn, I'm fresh out of TRA bingo cards

OneWildandWonderfulLife · 18/06/2025 22:16

My DD late 20s, gets it but can’t admit it as all her friends from uni are TWAW, be kind etc. I still express my views to her, I hope gently enough for her to think about what I am saying. She is also aware that I have a trans friend, so can’t do the whole transphobia nonsense.
I had a massive falling with DS, early 30s, over this and we didn’t speak for about 6 months. It was horrific, so I dare not go there again. He continues to wave all sorts of multi colour flags on social media, and I continue to ignore them. He found his tribe along with Queer Theory at Oxbridge. He is so intelligent I can’t really follow what he is talking about, and don’t have the time or inclination to read Judith bloody Butler, so I suspect this secret dance of opposites will continue for some time. He is, of course, on the spectrum, and a scientist, How does this work? How can you sit there, working in a lab, doing serious sciencing and then believe in the hocus pocus of GI?
Mind Blown!

Mumtobabyhavoc · 18/06/2025 22:15

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 21:51

she’s absolutely lost her mind to trans ideology sadly.

It sounds like you are a bigot and she isn't. 🤷‍♀️

Vargas · 18/06/2025 22:13

My Dd is slowly coming round. She agrees with me re sport and I can tell she finds non binary people ridiculous, but the one time I mentioned JKR she got into a snit so I’ll leave that for when she’s matured a little. She played the ‘you’re being mean’ card, I told her that’s not an argument and she stormed off. We haven’t talked about it since. I was a sanctimonious teen, so I’m hopeful this will wear off eventually 🤞🏼.

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 22:06

@GuevarasBeret great idea!

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GuevarasBeret · 18/06/2025 22:05

Can you try a light hearted “Oh darling, you’ve got this the wrong way round. I shall be running away from your embarrassing views much quicker than you’ll be running from mine. In the meantime, tidy your room, and bring me hobnobbles.

marshmallowpuff · 18/06/2025 22:04

I would just let her sit with it and don’t discuss it for a while.

But, have you got any older/elderly relatives, friends etc. who need visiting in care homes, helping with care/shopping/housework etc., or can she get a little bit more exposure to other aspects of life? A bit of childcare/babysitting? Some charity work with vulnerable people or helping in an environment where she can get a bit more experience of life?

I suggest this for a couple of reasons:— in a thread today I was really struck by a young woman posting how she honestly didn’t see why people would feel vulnerable in hospital, and it seemed to me that there’s a lack of life experience there, especially of different life stages, which maybe young women in particular used to have a bit more of in the past. Yes it was sexist in the past to expect young women to take on the burden of family caring work; but (for both sexes), maybe now we don’t ask enough for them to see outside their very limited bubble of young people?

We tend to shield kids now from the less palatable bits of life, and so maybe they end up not really knowing what it’s like to be ill, or old, or poor, or disabled (especially as a woman). I’m not suggesting putting them through a soup kitchen boot camp or anything, just visiting a neighbour in hospital or babysitting a toddler and learning how to change a nappy, or helping out singing carols at a care home, or all of the kind of things teenagers used to do when I grew up (and I’m in my 40s so not that old).

On that thread today, I thought that it’s a bit of a failing to get to the age when you’re posting on mumsnet, and not have any idea what it’s like in a hospital ward, or any idea that not all women are young and healthy. Or why a woman might not want to be partially undressed or ill in front of a strange man, however nice he is. Or have any sense of the loss of agency and privacy and dignity that women suffer in hospitals; and care homes, and hostels, and any other spaces where they’re vulnerable. Or why children are vulnerable. Or people who are poor or disabled or have limited options in life.

And okay, I get that things are more regulated nowadays, and it’s much harder for teens to get experience in places which require, for example, a DBS (as a teenager I used to do things like a programme for taking blind children roller-skating! Or doing drama and music af local care homes. I took part in a society at university where students ran activity holidays for children in poor city centre communities, and so on. I bet it’s much harder to just rock up and do that kind of thing now, and I do appreciate that).

BUT, I reckon an awful lot of young people’s obsession with the trans issue — and their inability to conceptualise why it’s (a) not the most pressing civil rights issue of our time; and (b) why women might object to it — is down to lack of knowledge about what life is like for many others. Even at the end of the twentieth century, it was hard not to come into contact with some of the realities of life. Whereas now I think many kids are insulated from seeing vulnerability, age, illness and poverty, because it’s not as visible as it used to be, and we’ve also simultaneously become a society which demands a lot less responsibility of teenagers in particular.

NaturalBlondeYeahRight · 18/06/2025 21:57

Yeah, it was the same here - we stopped talking about it years ago BUT recently my eldest (now 25) said quietly ‘hmm I don’t disagree now with some of what you said, not all of it but some’. So age and time gets them seeing possible pitfalls of gender ideology. Youngest isn’t there yet. My advice, you’ve put the thoughts there, now leave them to mature/experience.

pinkteddy · 18/06/2025 21:57

My dd and I have a tacit understanding that we don’t discuss it. We are on the same page on almost everything, she is really interested in feminism and she actually introduced me to Laura Bates years ago. But on this we fundamentally disagree. I am confident she’ll have her eyes opened eventually.

SidewaysOtter · 18/06/2025 21:53

Is it an option just to agree to disagree? Not only is she at an age when anything your parents say is a) wrong and b) terribly embarrassing, but it's an age where it's so easy to be idealistic. I can remember lecturing one of my teachers about the need to save whales (I'm not sure how she kept a straight face Grin ) and I cringe now at how bloody sanctimonious I could be!

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 21:53

@Meadowfinch thats how it all started because I said I love JK Rowling for what she’s done for women’s rights

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Radionowhere · 18/06/2025 21:53

My 16 year old is the same. However her 22 year old sister agrees with me, certainly as far as sports are concerned anyway, so I have hope that she'll grow out of it. I'm not planning on discussing it with her again at the moment.
FWIW these teens need to learn that people can have different views and just agree to disagree.

TheLizardQueen · 18/06/2025 21:51

she’s absolutely lost her mind to trans ideology sadly.

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 18/06/2025 21:50

Pifflepafflewifflewaffle · 18/06/2025 21:37

Her perspective is based on ‘gender’ not ‘sex’, hence the term ‘transgender’.

again, reading a perspective different to your own might help.

Perfect time to discuss how gender is a made up concept, how it relies on regressive sex stereotypes, and not everyone believes in ‘gender identity’.

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 21:50

I always think of this Mark Twain quote -

'When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.'

When she's got more life experience, she'll likely see the ludicrousness of the demands of gender ideology. Also likely over the next couple of years is that this fad will become very passe - it's already in it's death throes.