My DD hates that I’m a TERF!

I won't argue. You seem to be employing DARVO tactics so grey rock it is. 🥱

Mine was too, when she was 13. I told her it's fine to disagree, as long as there was sensible debate. I encouraged her to think about it, and that I would think about her side too. She's 15 now and agrees with me

We aren't the ones ending friendships and going no contact with family members for having a different opinion. That would be the "be kind" lot.

What’s a “mum”? How do you tell which you are? Are you sure you’re not actually a dad?

Another reaponse showing an inability and unwillingness to let others have different opinions. And they're different so you mock them. 🤦‍♀️

Yes. Demanded.

Tap, tap. Is this mic on?

No, you get a grip.

Facts and reality are not bigoted.

Really? Demanded, you say? Good God, get a grip.

DFOD

Keep telling yourself that...🙄 But, it's not what you're doing at all.

My teenager is exactly the same I am a transphobic, terfy, bigot. Hey ho. I’ve tried to use it as an opportunity to explain why it’s really important thst you know the facts of an arguement, rather than just repeating sound bytes you’ve picked up on Reddit.

It has been relatively interesting. He’s now of the opinion that one cannot change sex but it’s really important to respect a trans persons belief and the rest of us should wheest.

I think being able to have a respectful, reasoned conversation with someone of a different viewpoint is a really important life skill.

Very apt user name

Yes OP, open your mind and pretend humans can change sex and encourage your daughter to prioritise bullshit stereotypes

'When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.'

Haven't read that in years!😂😂

Hang on, their replies were in response to your comment -

It sounds like you are a bigot and she isn't. 🤷‍♀️

And you're calling them bullies?

Their replies were pretty mild, considering. A DFOD would have been far more direct.

And you're not exactly a shining example for your cause either. Demanding everyone follows your fact free, reality free ideology lest they are branded a bigot makes you look deranged, tbh.

Mocking is an appropriate response to childish insults that attempt to shame women for wanting to uphold their legal rights.

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Mocking is bullying. Doesn't help your cause and just shows you as intolerant. It's common behaviour, though.

Gender isn't real though.

Mine roll their eyes at the “they /thems” and have no truck with it. It’s certain social groups that have gone all in. I think now it’s enthusiastically endorsed by certain teachers it will die a death.

Fascinating discussion. As most parents have said - we're there to embarrass our kids for all sorts of reasons. But over this issue, children are openly being groomed to see parents as completely wrong. Wrong to believe that girls and women are entitled to boundaries from unknown men when undressing. Wrong to argue that women are entitled to woemn's sport free from men. Wrong to state that children are not born in the wrong body and that they shouldn't be put on a path to sterilisation, drugs and brutal surgery.

There's a reason that transactivism started with #nodebate. Parents stand in the way of transactivists being able to recruit children and young people to their cause. Once the lack of coherent, ethical arguments for transactivism are exposed, the whole thing falls apart. So the inexperienced, the young are recruited and told that not only are their parents wrong but they must be alienated, not spoken to, rejected. Their arguments are invalid and therefore not be heard. Parental alienation is a tool promoted by most of the trans lobby groups - just look at the comments upthread alleging the OP must be a bigot.

Extreme Communist states used the same techniques of recruiting the young to expose their parents for public punishment for thought crimes. This is no different.

It is possible to work through this with our children - but the level of pressure from frankly dodgy adults / groups makes it so much more difficult.

How often does this actually come up OP? If she has trans friends, just avoid the topic. She’ll interpret everything you say as an attack on her friends.

Gender is a social construct. Sex is real. If the transgender community wanted society to break down barriers based on gender I would be shoulder to shoulder with them. But the changes to policy, laws, healthcare, safeguard etc have provided time and time again that is not the case.

Honesty don't bother to try and scold me for not knowing. I've been learning and reading and discussing this for a very long time.

I disagreed with my mum on the same issues when I was a teen (I’m 24 now) so she may come around. It’s hard being that age as it’s almost like being in an echo chamber of the same views which won’t help your case. By the time I was an adult I was GC.

Why can’t you just stop discussing it with her? She probably finds you trying to ‘educate’ her patronising. She’s welcome to have her own views, as are you.

she's a teen and she's 1000% right and you're her mum and 1001% wrong

This a thousand percent.