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Do you ever feel wrong about being gender critical? Plus poll on political view.

139 replies

UnlockedXCX · 18/06/2025 19:04

I know I'm making a lot of threads but TRA ideology is so widespread that it makes me question if there's something I'm missing sometimes. I also added a poll. I understand viewpoints are more complicated than being X or Y, but it's just to get a rough idea of mumsnet mindsets. Thank you.

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EasternStandard · 18/06/2025 19:35

What does the poll refer to in this context? I’m not following the connection you’re looking for

Ddakji · 18/06/2025 19:33

I know that I am 100% right with my sex realist views.

I think you mean socially conservative rather than politically, yes? Anyway, I haven’t voted.

LizzyMcdonald56 · 18/06/2025 19:32

I never feel wrong in being GC.

RedToothBrush · 18/06/2025 19:32

Liberal as a meaning is difficult because a lot of people who call themselves liberal now are signed up to a list of set values - that's not liberalism. That's authoritarian virtue signalling.
Then you have economic liberalism, sexual liberalism. And various definitions.

Liberalism as in liberal democracy is essential a pragmatic consensus building which relies on debate and engagement with a broad section of the voting public. It is possible to have an issue which comes to a conservative consensus within a liberal democracy.

You need to nail down what people understand when they vote or your vote is meaningless because you don't know what you are quantifying.

I would call myself a believer in liberalism (as in liberal democracy) but absolutely not a liberal in the sense of how many members of the Democratic Party or the LDs might define this.

Bannedontherun · 18/06/2025 19:31

Left thanks for asking

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 19:28

I spoiled my ballot paper.

UnlockedXCX · 18/06/2025 19:26

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 18/06/2025 19:09

How do you match up voting with views. How can you be certain you won't get an influx of people deliberately voting a certain way to try to portray mumsnet members as something they are not?

I didn't consider that, but I also figure people can drop below and actually post what they voted as if that makes sense.

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TheOtherRaven · 18/06/2025 19:25

No. I'm in serious favour of one objective reality and of equality. Actual equality, involving everybody, including the ones you don't like and don't agree with, and who vote 'wrong'. And quite into child safeguarding, not abusing women and homosexuals, not removing women's pregnancy rights, stuff like that.

There is no box to tick on the poll for 'absolutely none of any of this shower'. I am politically homeless.

lcakethereforeIam · 18/06/2025 19:23

Can't vote as I'm not either of those options, I'm very left leaning. Sex is real, sometimes important and immutable. That can't change and isn't wrong.

potpourree · 18/06/2025 19:23

I originally came to FWR because I was sure I was missing something. I read a lot and still thought somewhere, someone could make the TRA side make sense, and not be the misogynistic illogical position it seems to be.

I've barely seen a single person on the 'other side' who's willing to even try and explain their thinking, and the total lack of critical thinking and instant resort to insults and threats only reinforces that I'm right to think that sex is real and sometimes it matters.

The best take I can come up with is that 'society is sexist - even though we shouldn't treat men and women differently in normal life and make assumptions about them, people do, so I'd rather the assumptions they made about me were ones based on male/female stereotypes rather than the opposite. Therefore I will try and make people think I'm the opposite sex'.

Time was that everyone was proud to criticise gender and its boxes. Apparently now that's wrong.

Haulage · 18/06/2025 19:23

I think your categories are wrong. I have no doubts whatsoever.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/06/2025 19:10

No, I don't think I'm wrong about being gender critical.

Didn't vote in the poll because I don't think I fit in either box.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 18/06/2025 19:09

How do you match up voting with views. How can you be certain you won't get an influx of people deliberately voting a certain way to try to portray mumsnet members as something they are not?

RareGoalsVerge · 18/06/2025 19:09

Political leaning aren't a single straight line spectrum. The opposite of Conservative isn't Liberal it's Socialist. The opposite of Liberal isn't Conservative it's Authoritarian. There are Authoritarian parties on both left and right (eg the Green party is quite Socialist but extremely Authoritarian)

What's weird is the way that that the Liberal Democrats are so illiberal on the topic of trans ideology - absolutely no deviation from required beliefs, really Authoritarian on that issue.