What do people think is the most unbelievable complaint on here?

I'm voting for

"Indeed, more cisgender teens receive breast reduction surgery on the NHS than trans teens receive chest masculinisation surgery."

Fancy trying to justify teen "trans" getting breasts removed because some teenage girls need breast reduction for i.e. back injuries.

Hate to break it to you OP but probably cisgender women get double mastectomies more often than trans men do on the NHS.

Was that a spoof?

Possibly a spoof written by ChatGPT?

Yeah… no.

How is it brave?

It’s all debunked nonsense, but posting it here will just make people piss themselves laughing. As if no-one here has given this any thought, or there are not doctors, scientists, colleagues and relatives of trans people. It is hilarious the lack of awareness, as if all of this is news.

It is quite sweet in its naivety.

But OP isn’t in any danger!

What does equal treatment for trans people mean?

They already had equality so what support do you mean?

Support them to carry on cheating in womens sports?
Support them to enter women and girls toilets and changing rooms?
Support them to call us Naz.. because we disagree with them?

What support do you mean?

In my attempts to understand:

• I CAN understand the sports because it's pure and simple cheating. There'll always be cheats in life.

• I CAN'T understand why some people are absolutely determined to get men into women / girls toilets and changing rooms.

• I CAN'T understand how some women (even those with daughters) have become handmaidens and thereby want to protect them.

How would YOU suggest we support biological males who are trying to be women?

Why are you linking articles? As if one article has any relevance to what you are trying to claim. Anyone with a degree beyond undergraduate will know that supporting an arguement with one article makes the same impact as linking no article at all. For every article you link, there will be another claiming the exact opposite, and any good researcher knows they would need to meticulously read countless articles, weight up their findings, to determine a conclusion... your post is baseless. You've wasted a great deal of time trying to 'educate' us, when you should prehaps be educating yourself.

And for those wondering 'what is actually means to be a women'... being a women is shaped from the minute you are born. How you are treated as a girl, the experiences only girls and women will have been through, as opposed to growing up a boy. The differing treatments they receive is society on a day to day basis. A man cannot simply 'transition' into a women and know what it is to live as one.

100 more anti clockwise cauldron stirs on a wet Wednesday and then we'll see!

Maybe

Probably not

𝐎𝕣 𝘆ⓞ𝒖 𝚌𝓸🅤𝖑𝒹 𝓉𝐫𝙮 𝘣🅡🄸🅱𝙞🅽𝑔 𝙢𝚎 𝚠ⓘ🆃𝒉 𝑎 𝑻ⓤ𝒏𝓷𝚘𝐜𝔨'𝘀 𝒯𝘦🅰𝕔𝓪🄺𝔢

I know, sorry, it even startled me when I looked at it. I had saved the link some time ago but it’s been updated since then.

Jesus this is grim

Trans People are extremist! That's wot I done heard!

I mean, that Amnesty link wrings it's hands over the blocked GRR Bill (which was pretty extreme) but anyway...

Here's one of the extreme demand examples which comes to mind. And bear in mind that this isn't some loner in a basement. This is a national organisation -

https://www.tumblr.com/edinburghath/163521055802/trans-health-manifesto

And in terms of extremism, the complete removal of any and all single sex services would seem to most rational people to be extreme but Stonewall et all had a good go at it -
https://womansplaceuk.org/2018/06/25/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/

Puberty Blockers are Dangerous! My total lack of medical knowledge says so!

I mean -

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ban-on-puberty-blockers-to-be-made-indefinite-on-experts-advice

I Heard They're Changing Kids' Genitalia!

I mean, it's nuts to equate breast reduction surgery to a double bilateral mastectomy. I'm sure anyone rational can see that.

They're in Women's Sports! I read it on teh internets!

As said before - www.shewon.org

Some names just off the top of my head - Lia Thomas, Laurel Hubbard, Rachel/Ivy McKinnon, that big burly bloke in Australian Women's football, Emily Bridges, the Flying Bats....

And how many mediocre male athletes are to be permitted to push women out their own sporting categories and take podium places?

But, but, but, Women's Sports! No men!

www.boysvwomen.com

Ok, but Trans-women are Stronger. That ain't Fair!

As above. And you know, the evidence of our eyes, experience and human history.

Trans-Women are Men!!!!!! Any fule knowe that!

They're men. You might not like that but reality doesn't care.

'No one says they've actually changed sex'- tell that to the deranged India Willoughby or the numerous attention seekers pretending that they (men) experience period pain.

Trans History is Different to Women's History

Men aren't a type of women. HTH.

Trans-Women are Men in Dresses! I read it in the Daily Mail!

A man in a dress is a man in a dress. He can wear a dress if he likes (or a swishy skirt or long hair or nail varnish or any of the male gaze stereotypes which men associate with women). Doesn't make him a woman.

But Anybody can be Trans in an Instant! I'm scared!

90 odd % of transwomen keep their penis. Previously, under self ID, all they had to say is 'I'm a woman', to access single sex services.

Organisations are Convincing Kids They're Trans! Think of the Children!

Mermaids.

And

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion-what-is-behind-the-rise-in-girls-questioning-their-gender-identity

Take your male rights activism elsewhere OP.

What a load of partisan rubbish. I could source and post different links showing studies reaching different conclusions for all your points.

I was going to post my rebuttal to your assertion that trans women don’t claim to be female by quoting the vile India Willoughby (you know, the one who calls middle-aged women "biddies", and makes fun of any woman whose appearance doesn’t reach the Barbie standard India thinks is necessary to be a woman - but I see others have already done it.)

I assume you were joking when you said "transgender extremism doesn’t exist". Look at this link and then see if you still think it’s true.

https://terfisaslur.com/

It’s not about you potatoes!

Quite right, quite right. I think I need a while longer stirring the cauldrons before I can be let into the inner circle. Might blow the house up otherwise…

You and your bloody potatoes.

Thank goodness you've explained it all for my silly little brain to understand.
Ps fuck off

Well, I am genuinely grateful to the OP for one thing and that's for dragging the conversation away from toilets to remind us of the many other areas GI has affected. It's quite something when you see it all listed out like that. Thanks OP.

What IS a trans person though? How would you treat men for the affliction of having glittery welly boots?

@TwoLoonsAndASprout

I was just about to ask @Boiledbeetle if I have had the powers long enough to initiate an apprentice but if you are doubting yourself I don't think you are ready.

They don’t want equal treatment, they want rights that aren’t theirs, ie women’s rights, and the Supreme Court said NO. Cope.

They already had equality.

Then they stole some of womens rights which made it unequal.

Thanks to SC we're equal again...

Ooo, sounds lovely - just right for this heat. Do you marinate your salmon?

Transgender extremism doesn't exist

And no transgender extremist ever held up a placard that said "decapitate terfs" and no transgender extremists emptied bottles of piss outside the EHRC or insects at an LGBA conference. Or maybe they're not transgender extremists at all and it's just normal behaviour for transgender people. But I do hope it's extremists.

Quite. And it's not just about professional sports is it? It's about grassroots sports, school sports, college sports. Women and girls should have the right to fairly and safely participate in sports at all levels, and they are put at risk if men are allowed to compete with them.