Reflections on Trans Arguments

Parklife

I think we need to replace sealions. Its getting dated.

'Rent a Quote' Matterhorning?

A form of pseudo-intellectual virtue signaling with tissues.

It's not possible to be feminist and prioritise the wants of penis people over the needs of vagina people, which is what trans activists demand we do.

The truly remarkable thing about trans ideology - and once you see it, you can't unsee it - is that every single permutation and consequence of it benefits male born people and disadvantages or is at best neutral for female born people.

This applies irrespective of what anyone is identifying as or calling themselves.

The most obvious example is in sport.

Trans women have taken hormones and been allowed to compete in women's sporting categories despite still having a massive advantage over female athletes, allowing mediocre male athletes to perform well in women's categories. Meanwhile trans men have to make a choice between hormones and sport, because if they take testosterone they will be banned from all competitive sports including in men's categories, even though taking testosterone does not give them a physical advantage over men's.

Heads, the penis people win, tails, the vagina people lose.

Anyone who peddles this ideological bullshit can piss off, and if they peddle it whilst calling themselves a feminist, they can piss off some more.

Puberty blockers are often lifesaving interventions. They're prescribed only after long assessments involving NHS gender clinics, parents, and specialists

Like in this case. Doesn’t look like much long term assessment went on here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce397vzkyvdo.amp

The utter cheek to come here and try to convince informed women of your arguments with “facts” that are so easily refuted it’s laughable. You tried so hard to lecture us with a pinch of condescension but bless, you just don’t seem intelligent enough for that

I agree!! It was certainly ‘hitting the spot’ in descriptiveness.

I've got friends who have their children's post GCSE prom photos up on FB... Its a clue.

I see the saddo bot jockeys are here.

Sealion invasion!

They already have the same rights and freedoms as the rest of us. They want extras. They want to take away women's rights.

Clearly my herding student days are behind me 😂

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Most GCSE and A Levels finish this week don't they? And most uni students have also finished.

I declare that 'The Matterhorn' has officially reached legendary status as a reference point.

Awwwww!!!

I see we are all just sock puppets again for 6 feminists. Or has the number increased or decreased?

It is amazing that no matter how many polls in different countries show it, people who prioritise male people’s gender identities over female people’s needs are the majority of the population.

Poster has misspelled 'Deflections' in the thread title.

I am thinking the Matterhorn is growing daily!!!

I blame the start of GCSE study leave. Too much time on their hands

I know, right. I think it's the one in the Wonder Woman outfit 🤣

Meanwhile, back over in the rational world, the number of private, positive reactions to the OP perfectly satisfy us that this thread, and the statements provided - and backed up - at the outset, have merit.

Us?

Oh good Lord.

🤣🤣🤣

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

The Gish gallop is a rhetorical technique in which a person in a debate attempts to overwhelm an opponent by presenting an excessive number of arguments, without regard for their accuracy or strength, with a rapidity that makes it impossible for the opponent to address them in the time available. Gish galloping prioritizes the quantity of the galloper's arguments at the expense of their quality.

Strategy
During a typical Gish gallop, the galloper confronts an opponent with a rapid series of specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations and outright lies, making it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of the debate. Each point raised by the Gish galloper takes considerably longer to refute than to assert. The technique wastes an opponent's time and may cast doubt on the opponent's debating ability for an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved, or if the audience has limited knowledge of the topics.
The difference in effort between making claims and refuting them is known as Brandolini's law or informally "the bullshit asymmetry principle". Another example is firehose of falsehoods.

Countering the Gish gallop
Mehdi Hasan, a British journalist, suggests using three steps to beat the Gish gallop:

1. Because there are too many falsehoods to address, it is wise to choose one as an example. Choose the weakest, dumbest, most ludicrous argument that the galloper has presented and tear that argument to shreds ("the weak point rebuttal").
2. Do not budge from the issue or move on until having decisively destroyed the nonsense and clearly made the counter point.
3. Call out the strategy by name, saying: "This is a strategy called the 'Gish Gallop'—do not be fooled by the flood of nonsense you have just heard."

Generally, it is more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one. If a debater is familiar with an opponent who is known to use the Gish gallop, the technique may be countered by pre-empting and refuting the opponent's commonly used arguments before the opponent has an opportunity to launch into the Gish gallop.

Thanks for the real time lesson in Gish Gallop OP.

Its very effective. We were totally sucked in. Honest Gov.

I wonder who the 'we' are in @LimeFinch's post. The 'us' receiving all those private positive responses.

Oh no, I have been assured on here by one TRa poster that they have evidence and research that a man can literally become a woman. They just won't show it to me because I'm a bigot whose mind is made up, so even scientific proof won't convince me! We're just not worthy of the good stuff!

Anti-trans?!

It is not possible to be anti something that can not exist. No-one can change sex, therefore no-one can transition, therefore it is not possible to be anti-trans.

This forum is full of people who are passionate about parity / fairness / equality / truth / accuracy / science / etc. It comes under feminism because the biggest set of people impacted by the trans lies told by Stonewall and others are women who have had their very existence denied and threatened. But... equally it could sit elsewhere as most of the replies are debunking inaccurate posts.

As for repeating the same thing again and again - that might be because the truth doesn't change.

Born a man - always a man
Born a woman - always a woman

It doesn't matter if you post 1,000 threads somehow expecting others to be subordinated to your theories - the facts remain the same, so continually you will get the same response... It is a little surprising considering that the same consistent response (factual, biological, legal, reality) each time doesn't make you stop and realise that it is the same because it sits there unvarnished in truth...

What about the many posters who have read your linked sources and shared quotations from them that show you've fundamentally misunderstood - or not read - them? (Including myself).

It's no good ignoring this and just generalising in the way you do above, if you're genuinely seeking to convince us of your superior arguments and understanding. This actually has the opposite effect - of making posts like yours above appear far more applicable to yourself.