Reflections on Trans Arguments

there is literally no point trying. They claim to represent the views of 'women' but do not want to hear from those of us who do not agree.

This is often said on this board but let me say I would LOVE to hear from those who disagree.

Put your points across, engage in civil discussion and challenge my "extreme views" with solid evidence.

The floor is yours.

It's really irritating. You can't talk about that here. You can't talk about it on there either. You have to go down in the basement behind a closed door with no window.

Five minutes later...

Why the fuck are you all down here in the basement behind a closed door with no window talking about this??

Fine, I agree with you. I was just going by the sub title of the board and didn't know the history of any of it. So I didn't know why nothing else seemed to be discussed but I get it now.
I'm feeling quite upset by my situation, just talking on here and I'm crying so I'm not best placed to have any rational discussion. I will clear off

Well fuck Datun. That would take effort and really, some people just want to shame others for posting on a board that they were pushed into because other people couldn't have the fucking impulse control to scroll past threads that they didn't want to interact with.

But, hey..... all the threads are all just about one general topic and it makes it just easier to make posts about how shameful we all are...

Speaking as a your gen X counterpart, I have come through the Uni Butler Lacuna and out the other side. I feel very confident debating on sex and gender because not only do I know why I think what I do and the first principles on which it stands, I also know why they think what they do and why it doesn't invalidate my position.

And today I was finally motivated to make a meme for it...

Extreme views on Mumsnet = sex is binary and cannot be changed.

Feel free to challenge this extreme view please. If it's that easy to understand should be a breeze for you.

Well, you'd have to read it first

I agree with your post OP and once shared your hope that there was a place for an actual civil discussion and challenge to the extreme views on Mumsnet. But sadly have already realised that there is literally no point trying. They claim to represent the views of 'women' but do not want to hear from those of us who do not agree.

But I'll bugger off and do some work instead of derailing.

Oh. I see we had yet another, why are you all so focused on 'trans issues' post. Like it isn't a day ending in 'y'?

And it is remarkable that people don't do their own fucking research on the available boards on MN and work out that there is another board and this one is where we were put. Just so we can have another poster to tell us how hateful our focus is.

But of course, any thing that questions the prevailing affirming only nature of the ideology that supports transgender identities is considered 'anti-trans', but then when it is pointed out that if that is the case we can say that that person who considered discussion around prioritising women and children's needs must be 'anti-women and children' the denial starts.

It seems like a script that we see daily at the moment. Posters who do this can never acknowledge their own entrenched prejudice though.

Bloody hell seriously, it's really not all about you

I get the urge to jump in whenever anyone has a rant about autism.

I have to remind myself that nobody here has met my autistic child or loves him like I do, and that their comments aren't aimed at him. Your child isn't responsible for the bad behaviour of every, or any, other transgender person.

Such contempt for women coming off this diatribe

A great deal of change has been demanded of society and women in particular by those advocating for trans peoples rights. From the words we use to describe ourselves, to sharing private spaces with the opposite sex. I don't think its disproportionate that there is one board on the whole of this site where its discussed. I mean, there's a board to discuss cats on here.

So read and/or comment on the ones you're interested in and ignore the others. Don't call posters names e.g. "hypocritical", for discussing what they want to discuss.

It's not hard.

Why does it matter if a lot - though not all -- the threads are tran related. I was just on a thread about discrimination against lesbians.

But I ended up on this forum because I was googling the Sandie Peggie case and found a thread here that linked live transcripts of what was actually been said. Having read that shocker I came on board to discuss it.

As a result I've changed and clarified my view on some issues (or you would probably say "been radicalised" ha ha ha). Broadly speaking same sex provision is very important to me.

It's not just discussion women on here do a great job I.e. their audit on effectively mixed sex wards.

This is moronic.

Transwomen are men so they have an advantage in sport.

Marriage was historically about ownership, do you think that means women now don’t want to get married?

So stupid.

Anyway I will fuck off as requested

It's not always easy

I'm obviously interested in some trans issues but not exclusively that

OK

Ok, thanks. Makes sense. If you look at the heading for this board it does say what I posted which was why I was surprised that nothing else seemed to be talked about. I get it now you've explained

i.e. Corral everyone interested in discussing a topic without censorship into one corner of one site on the net, then scold contributors there “because that’s all they ever talk about”?

Better watch out if you nip over to the Feminist Chat board though @LostInCatsFur

There are some discussions on trans issues over there too!

They didn’t though I do believe we did ask. I’m sure Cats is completely aware there is a feminism chat board, they just don’t get to scold ppl on there