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Primary school children in Scotland are taught about menstruation.

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ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 10:28

This video is used to teach about menstruation. It's linked in this activity plan.

'One of the physical changes of puberty that a person with a uterus will experience is getting their period as part of what's called the menstrual cycle.
This normally happens between the ages of 8 and 13, and for some people, even older.
Everyone goes through puberty at the time that's right for their body.
Once a person reaches puberty, those with a uterus, prepare for the possibility of eventually making a baby.'

https://rshp.scot/second-level/

How do children know if they have a uterus?

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PriOn1 · 19/06/2025 14:47

Also, unless they told the pupils that those people with uteruses were girls, how would they know which children were going to have periods? Are they meant to guess? Or do they tell them it’s children without penises, as that’s more obvious and then at least, the boys will know it’s not them. The whole thing is ridiculous.

PriOn1 · 19/06/2025 14:44

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 10:39

Yes, exactly.

My daughter came home declaring that she may not get a period because 'not all girls get periods'. Children trust teachers. Info must be presented simply and clearly and based on biological fact.

Oh, that is AWFUL! Undermining essential information for girls in order to pander to the stupid trans agenda. At least your daughter came home and talked to you about it. Lots of others would remain in ignorance.

TheOtherRaven · 19/06/2025 14:36

"Hi kids. We really feel we need to tell you about your bodies, but we first need to tell you that we're scared of bodies and biology, we're especially scared of the word 'girls' and girls' bodies, and girls, you need to know that your sex and the words for you are bad and dirty things that shouldn't be mentioned. Learn your place now."

"Why is that, sir?"

"Because men get uppity and pout about reality denying them women's bodies. Men are always, always, much more important than girls. Girls' bodies should always be regarded as just about men, and only important as in how they relate to men. So we're making this the problem of women and girls, and lying to you and ourselves, because we're scared of those men too."

"Isn't this fantastically fucked up, sir?"

"We identify as it being ok, we cling desperately to that belief in the teeth of all reality and evidence, and will be equally desperately consequencing anyone showing critical thinking or asking questions. We'll hopefully all be retired when this really goes tits up so won't have to take responsibility."

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 14:33

Shark month?! I missed that.

Scotgov is happy to ape progressive US tropes to differentiate itself away from Westminster/RUk, I suppose. See Nicola's 'Scoddish' accent.

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Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 19/06/2025 13:11

Needspaceforlego · 18/06/2025 19:01

Why are they using American cartoons? That quiet surprises me with current Scotgov.
And the people with uterus WTAF?

Even their joke names for periods aren't very Scottish? Other than time of month,
Painters in?

Totally agree.

I'm baffled as to why they didn't think it was worth creating a Scottish video for this, and chose to rely on an American one - especially when it has wierd references to terms like "shark month" that I doubt anyone in Scotland has ever actually used!

IfYouPutASausageInItItsNotAViennetta · 18/06/2025 23:25

This normally happens between the ages of 8 and 13, and for some people, even older.

"In fact, for approximately half of all people, it happens when they're so much older than that, that they will actually die of old age before it has even started."

NextRinny · 18/06/2025 23:18

Ridiculous. Do the children know how to check if they are one of those who has a uterus?
If they don't, how will they know if they'll go through the "right" puberty?

Leave the kids to be kids...

Needspaceforlego · 18/06/2025 19:01

Why are they using American cartoons? That quiet surprises me with current Scotgov.
And the people with uterus WTAF?

Even their joke names for periods aren't very Scottish? Other than time of month,
Painters in?

DuesToTheDirt · 18/06/2025 18:30

Well, I don't know if this is such bad advice... DDs friend, aged about 8, said she knew how to tell the difference between boys and girls - cut them open and see if they have a uterus. 😂

Hoosemover · 18/06/2025 15:43

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 10:39

Yes, exactly.

My daughter came home declaring that she may not get a period because 'not all girls get periods'. Children trust teachers. Info must be presented simply and clearly and based on biological fact.

This is what we get for mess with our language. Confused young girls.
If I was a mother with primary school kids, I would complaining constantly about this and the other stupid nonsense.

Stick to teaching biology and not bull shit.

education has gone to shit

Datun · 18/06/2025 14:01

In my experience virtually all primary school teachers would be delighted to be able to teach a sentence as simple and straightforward as that.

that's good to know.

My mum had a philosophy to answer questions as they were asked. And I was told at quite a young age.

She thoroughly enjoys telling me that I was rather worried in case I forgot, and made her promise to remind me when I was 21.

VividViolet · 18/06/2025 13:40

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:34

Assuming you're roughly ages with me, do you remember "Living and Growing?" The old school videos where sex was shown as a cartoon couple in bed with a feather? I left that lesson none the wiser! 😂

DD asked if DH chased me round the bedroom with a feather.

I told her (truthfully!!!) that no, he didn't.

nutmeg7 · 18/06/2025 13:31

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:06

The RSHP curriculum has built up from Early Level (from p1). So by second level they should know what a uterus is. Even at p1 they have naked male and female drawings to label (I believe it's just the external parts at that stage if I remember correctly, but as I say it gets more in depth as the years go on). But rest assured they do get taught that there are physical differences between the sexes. I taught it for years and there has to be a lot of over learning because it is quite complex really! Its why I always have a questions box because it allows children to ask privately and they may well be wondering what half the class are also wondering! It could be useful to mention it to school if your daughter doesn't understand because the teacher may not realise that your daughter didn't get it and gives them a chance to clarify for everyone.

It is just so unnecessarily complicated - in day to day life, I guarantee that all these children will be using the words “girl” and “boy” in the normal sex-based usage that is part of the English language as it has evolved over millennia.

If this is about communicating clearly to kids, why not use the language that they automatically understand?

Using ”people with a uterus” is idealogically driven. It is not inclusive if it erases the word “girl” and confuses the children.

It doesn’t matter if they have been taught all about the uterus etc, they will not necessarily remember, even plenty of adults are a bit unclear about all this (and colloquially use “womb”).

Talk to children so they understand, or what’s the point?

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 12:40

Datun · 18/06/2025 12:13

It's so frustrating.

The concept that women have babies isn't complicated.

If you're trying to discuss menstruation, through a dense layer of all sorts of political ideology, kids will be unclear. It defeats the whole bloody object.

"This happens to girls, this happens to boys."

I bet a simple sentence like that will make the blood run cold of some teachers.

In my experience virtually all primary school teachers would be delighted to be able to teach a sentence as simple and straightforward as that. And our schools have been pretty good at countering sex stereotypes, too.

It all seems to get a bit murkier in secondary, which is where you tend to find the 'activist' teachers, with progress pride badges, etc.

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ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 12:39

Well, I've ensured my children are taught very clear information, and I've had to explain that there are some muddled people who think its possible to change sex, etc.

I suppose parents have always had to navigate a complex and shifting landscape that includes well meaning idiots and zealots, as well as actually predatory people. So we teach children how to keep themselves as safe and sane and healthy and happy as we can.

But yes, it would be helpful if schools, governments, and the NHS weren't pushing this bullshit.

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Coffeeishot · 18/06/2025 12:15

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 10:39

Yes, exactly.

My daughter came home declaring that she may not get a period because 'not all girls get periods'. Children trust teachers. Info must be presented simply and clearly and based on biological fact.

My god ! My Dd are adults so we thankfully escaped this shit. Parents have no chance do they ?

Datun · 18/06/2025 12:13

It's so frustrating.

The concept that women have babies isn't complicated.

If you're trying to discuss menstruation, through a dense layer of all sorts of political ideology, kids will be unclear. It defeats the whole bloody object.

"This happens to girls, this happens to boys."

I bet a simple sentence like that will make the blood run cold of some teachers.

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 12:06

Wait. Parents of around 50% of children! The fuzzy logic appears to be catching!

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ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 12:05

WaterThyme · 18/06/2025 11:49

NHS Fife is unhelpful. In their web page on “Talking to children about periods”

www.nhsfife.org/services/all-services/sexual-health/parents-and-carers/talking-to-children-about-periods/

Dr Brito-Mutunayagam explained that regardless of your child's gender, it is important that they have an understanding about periods and what to expect from quite an early age. This helps to manage expectations, foster awareness and to challenge taboos around menstruation. She also advised that discussing periods should not be one big sit down talk at a particular age. Instead parents and carers should start such conversations early and slowly and build on their child’s understanding over time.

There is no mention of girls, female or women. I could read it and deduce that a boy ought to be having periods and if he hadn’t by his mid teens a doctor should be consulted.

Bloody hell. The painful, studied, laboured attempt to ensure that every instance of 'girl' or 'woman' or 'female' has been carefully excised.

'Most people don't have any problems with their periods. But call your doctor if your child:

  • is 15 and does not have their period'

The NHS should brace for around 50% of parents to call their doctor asking why their 15 year old doesn't yet have his period.

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WaterThyme · 18/06/2025 11:49

NHS Fife is unhelpful. In their web page on “Talking to children about periods”

www.nhsfife.org/services/all-services/sexual-health/parents-and-carers/talking-to-children-about-periods/

Dr Brito-Mutunayagam explained that regardless of your child's gender, it is important that they have an understanding about periods and what to expect from quite an early age. This helps to manage expectations, foster awareness and to challenge taboos around menstruation. She also advised that discussing periods should not be one big sit down talk at a particular age. Instead parents and carers should start such conversations early and slowly and build on their child’s understanding over time.

There is no mention of girls, female or women. I could read it and deduce that a boy ought to be having periods and if he hadn’t by his mid teens a doctor should be consulted.

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:34

Assuming you're roughly ages with me, do you remember "Living and Growing?" The old school videos where sex was shown as a cartoon couple in bed with a feather? I left that lesson none the wiser! 😂

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:29

Honestly, it's one of my favourite things to teach because the kids REALLY want to learn! And it's such a leveller in the class because it's going to happen to them all so they're all so invested! I think the idea of reporting concerns to rshp is good. Ultimately we need children to understand what's going on with their physical bodies.

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 11:16

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:08

Good for you for having a daughter who is happy to talk about it with you! I remember it being something no one talked about when I was at school and so I've done my best as a teacher to make sex and biology something we can talk about freely without embarrassment.

Great, thank you, too. 'Sex ed' is important, and it's important it's taught well.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 18/06/2025 11:15

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 10:39

Yes, exactly.

My daughter came home declaring that she may not get a period because 'not all girls get periods'. Children trust teachers. Info must be presented simply and clearly and based on biological fact.

Oy vey

I HATE it when children’s trust in teachers is undermined

how are they expected to learn effectively when some of the stuff their teachers say is obvious bollocks?

they’ve got real, important stuff to learn. We need to stop nutcase ideologues getting in the way

ArabellaScott · 18/06/2025 11:14

GoFaster83 · 18/06/2025 11:06

The RSHP curriculum has built up from Early Level (from p1). So by second level they should know what a uterus is. Even at p1 they have naked male and female drawings to label (I believe it's just the external parts at that stage if I remember correctly, but as I say it gets more in depth as the years go on). But rest assured they do get taught that there are physical differences between the sexes. I taught it for years and there has to be a lot of over learning because it is quite complex really! Its why I always have a questions box because it allows children to ask privately and they may well be wondering what half the class are also wondering! It could be useful to mention it to school if your daughter doesn't understand because the teacher may not realise that your daughter didn't get it and gives them a chance to clarify for everyone.

There is a vast amount of material on the RSHP resource site, far too much to wade through all at once, so I've been checking each level/area taught, as my children progress through the system.

Wherever there's been issues like this, I've raised it directly with the RSHP source. No need to raise with the school as I know for sure that every teacher is very clear and teach as well as they can. I know they don't support bad information, but they teach what is in the resources.

The problem is the resources. Some of them are good, some of them are dreadful.

The issue about my daughter 'not getting it' was because the lesson stated that not all girls get periods. The problem was not her comprehension.

The problem here is this activist produced American video. There are better resources out there.

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