Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)

This has to be the worst, most virulent case of FOMO in the world!

Bullying and threatening to go and tell mummy the London Authority is really not going to get lesbians on side btw. HTH.

Hear! Hear!
This cannot be said loud enough or often enough.

It seems to me that it’s much like the situation with loos and changing rooms where the consent of the women who’re delighted to use mixed sex facilities doesn’t count; it’s the women whose consent is withheld TiMs want to share with. The women who will happily attend mainstream pride events don’t count. It’s as if the women who say no are the only ones to hold the key to true validation.

As always, I find it remarkable to see men openly stating they don’t think women should be allowed to choose who they spend time with.

People who are concerned about power need to have something against which that power can be shown to have an effect. As the US seems to be demonstrating on cue.

@SerendipityJane And Russia, and China, and Iran...

If male sexuality is about power (although I don't think it is), then all the more reason not to allow TIM into women's spaces.

As I said, maybe that is because the discrimination faced was different ?

I tend towards the idea that male sexuality is about power - so therefore male homosexuality is about power. But female sexuality is about nurturing, which is reflected in female homosexuality.

That said there are plenty of women - of all stripes - who are aware of sex and power.

"Everything in the world is about sex – except sex. Sex is about power,

People who are concerned about power need to have something against which that power can be shown to have an effect. As the US seems to be demonstrating on cue.

Gay male sexuality is its own very peculiar thing. It's not only that it's not very similar to lesbianism, I don't think it bears any resemblance to female sexuality at all. And not very much resemblance to straight male sexuality.

This may be a controversial view, but I think that's shaped the different styles of activism. The Ls and the Gs never really had much in common except for the suspicion of straight society.

Who knew that "Karma Chameleon" would prove prophetic work to be remembered for. And indeed by.

I am sure he doesn't really want to hurt us.

"All men are ...." (insert derogatory word of your choice).

That's "all" with a capital "A", that could underlined or (more with screens) emboldened to emphasize it means 100%. not almost or nearly 100%.

Seeing Boy George's suggestion that JKR pays homophobes to beat up Lesbians, I wonder will Chris and Aida be sending her their bill?

I'm not lesbian or bi, but I do want to wish you all the best for your march and picnic. We can all see on this thread why you need your own event.

"I told you so" how? In relation to what?

By the same token, don't assume all women (the original flavour) are allies.

Rule 5

Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

Gay men. Men who claim a trans identity. That nice man you know down the pub. All men. It’s a mistake IMO to lose sight of that and assume they won’t be as likely to resort to misogyny as all the other men.

I’ve noticed this too. Straight men don’t like lesbians because they won’t sleep with them. Gay men don’t like them because they’re not men!

Is lesbianism the female equivalent of male homosexuality ?

Discuss.

Ironically, when I was young, there was a general feeling they weren't. Now whether this was an expression of the difference in prejudice experienced by the two sides, or a more fundamental truth of nature got eclipsed by the flags.

I’ve noticed this too. Straight men don’t like lesbians because they won’t sleep with them. Gay men don’t like them because they’re not men!

(I do realise there are some very decent gay men like Menno who are very supportive of women, including lesbians. But there are a large number who couldn’t give a shit, which is disappointing given that lesbians were a great support to gay men during the AIDS crisis, as I understand it).

It was never my scene, but I do remember old school Ls expressing a firm view that Gs were fucking unreliable, and I can't say they weren't onto something.

I can clearly remember what were called militant lesbians who wanted nothing to do with any men - including their support.

The murmurs of "I told you so" are strong ....

I doubt very much that Colin has any old lesbian mates. Gay men have never much liked or supported gay women.

The only people I have seen screeching through megaphones at Let Women Speak rallies are Transwomen and their allies. The women speaking used a microphone to speak in normal voices their truth.
Just to make it clear, Chris, women will be heard.

Mostly they think he's a very silly man and the embodiment of that "how do you do, fellow kids" meme.

When you say LGBT I think you just mean T. And d'you know what? The rest of us are about up to here with the T in our lavatories, sports, prizes, prisons, refuges and women only groups, societies and meet-ups.

I'm much more interesting in how Colin's old lesbian mates think about how they supported gay men and the got binned off in favour of more trendy trans mates and how Colin never bothered to actually listen to a bloody word they said.

No more do I. The reason I'm not going is because I'm not lesbian, and my lesbian sisters' need to self-organise and set their own boundaries is far more important than any desire I might have to rock up and show moral support.

We will never be rid of the Colins with their unsolicited advice, but one great thing about age is no longer caring about their opinions.

You don’t have to like it, but you don’t get to erase it.

This would make an excellent placard FYI.