Lesbian Pride March – Saturday 5th July – Women Only (London)

I hope the women have a great day out! That is all.

What on earth makes you think that trans men and female NBs woudn't be welcome at the event, @sadmillenial , if they wanted to attend? It isn't an event for 'cis women'. It is an event for women.

You say that the 'vast majority' of lesbians accept the idea of transwomen lesbians? Well if that is true, fine and dandy, and they have an event (the main pride event) at which to express that. Why does it bother you that some lesbians feel differently?

EDIT: And implying that the organisers "wanted the attention" - the abusive, harrassing and potentially aggressive attention - feels the same as saying that a woman who has been catcalled, assaulted or raped was 'asking for it', because she dared to exist in public in a way that made some men feel frustrated.

I was gonna skip london but well, now I have a reason to come over and bring some friends along!

What, the only reason is to gatecrash a party to which you are not invited? Do you do that to weddings, bar mitzvahs and industrial awards, too, or are you uniquely spiteful to female-attracted women?

I could see the logic if you wanted to swell the numbers at the Pride march, sure, but solely going to be a party pooper at a women's meetup? How is that proud?

Why would female nb people not be allowed @sadmillenial ? Are you saying no lesbians nb people exist? How do you know? Also if cis means complying with gender norms, surely no lesbian can be “cis” as rejecting men sexually is about as far away from complying with gender norms as you can get?

Everyone then knows that straight allies aren't welcome and neither are trans women/men or NBs

Transmen are welcome tho, and so are female NBs!!

See what happens when you pretend reality doesn't exist?

So much easier to be clear.

Lol

Is that because it’s the nearest thing you’ll get to interaction with real live women or is it because you’re a homophobic, misogynistic bully? You do know therapists can help.

maybe you and @Christinapple can meet up and a new friendship will form. Maybe meeting real live people will stop you becoming the next Andrew Tate. It may be too late but it’s worth a shot don’t you think?

Crikey, you still don't get it. If a transman is same sex attracted, they fit the criteria.

Men do not. Not even men who are opposite sex attracted calling themselves lesbians!

The word 'counter protest' is now used to mean 'attack'. All part of the doublespeak. Men are women, war is peace.

So long as they're either lesbian or bi they'd be welcome. And how on earth do you presume to know whether transmen would want to.go or not?

It's not a protest so why the need for a counter protest. If you don't want biological women only you can attend the actual Pride event.

'Non-queer" - don't make me laugh.

Also that horrible term ‘cis’.

Anyone who defines themselves as ‘cis’ is declaring that they embrace the concept of gender identity and view themselves as having one. Which would probably mean that they wouldn’t organise a single-sex event.

Supportive of trans (as almost all are) does NOT mean they actually consider a male a lesbian. Or that males should be in the ladies.

And can we please stop using the horrific homophobic slur 'que*r'.

youre bored of this??
IM bored of this!

the vast majority of lesbians are trans inclusive! I'm bored of non-queer people invoking lesbians for their own argument without also taking on any other pro-lesbian activism

"Cisgender lesbian and bisexual women were the most likely to be pro-trans with 88% feeling positive and of those 66-68% felt “very positive.” "
(taken from the yougov syrvey 2024)
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@Namechangeforobviousreasons100

sorry, I think your interpretation is wrong

I assume you are seeing those definitions as exclusive, however that is not a correct reflection on life - someone who is Lesbian is likely to only ever be female to female attracted, where someone bisexual under that definition is generic (male or female) attracted to both sexes…

I can see therefore your argument that to include bisexual as a protected characteristic it should also include bisexual men - therefore this is not covered, but that is I think to misunderstand…

someone who is bisexual doesn’t have to be always attracted to both sexes, nor are they always attracted to both sexes in equal weighting, either way there is only one group of them who enjoy lesbian relationships - bi-sexual women…

so this has one protected characterisation which is that of lesbian:

• born a woman
• sexually attracted to women

and this includes lesbians with no attraction to anyone else, plus lesbians who have a bisexual element and are also attracted to men…

it can’t though include bisexual men as they have no lesbian attraction and never will

so one protected characteristic- lesbian

it really couldn’t be simpler!

I might have misunderstood which bit of the post you were asking about. Positive action in recruitment and promotion is covered under section 159 of the Equality Act 2010. Positive action generally is in section 158.

Part 1 of Schedule 9 to the Equality Act 2010, I think.

Part 1 Occupational requirements
General
1(1)A person (A) does not contravene a provision mentioned in sub-paragraph (2) by applying in relation to work a requirement to have a particular protected characteristic, if A shows that, having regard to the nature or context of the work—
(a)it is an occupational requirement,
(b)the application of the requirement is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, and
(c)the person to whom A applies the requirement does not meet it (or A has reasonable grounds for not being satisfied that the person meets it).
(2)The provisions are—
(a)section 39(1)(a) or (c) or (2)(b) or (c);

In this case 39(1)(a) is being abrogated.

Yes 'trans men' aka women who are attracted to other women would also be lesbians.
That's how using words that mean things works. It makes things very easily understandable.

No, women never meant men. As clarified by the Supreme Court.

Pretending we only have to use clear language when discussing the Equality Act in legislation, is that the next 'slight of hand' that activists are going for?

People are so bored of this utter shit. Just leave lesbians alone.

There is no confusion about who is invited to the event, just a lot of entitlement or homophobia.

and as much as the ongoing fight about nomenclature exists, the word "woman" in everyday language can still include trans women and trans men, depending on how we use it
The recent court case only defined the use of it in legislation specifically citing the Equality Act in spaces where there was specific reasoning

In your advert, trans men could attend? (but i dont think you want them to....and i dont think they would want to either lol) Thats why im saying its performative outrage, because literally just saying "cis" would stop any questions and still get your point across

'Lesbian and bisexual women' is the definition. Men know they are not women hence the thrashing and wailing. Straight women know they are not lesbians or bisexual. Everyone just needs to leave them alone to have their picnic in peace.

This entire thread in an exercise in performative outrage....

"A subsidiary/coexisting march is also happening for lesbian and bi cis women only"

Everyone then knows that straight allies aren't welcome and neither are trans women/men or NBs

That's all you needed to say.

So much easier to be clear. Unless you wanted all the attention? (surely not)

Or maybe the organisers think that while men are obviously outraged at being excluded, straight women might simply have the manners to wish the event well from afar?

There is no need for "all views to be heard" at a female only event. But thanks for showing that you will not allow any female only event to exist without males being terrorists and thugs to females. You realise you are the reason you are driving people away from supporting trans?

Transwomen are males. Why would males be invited to a female only event? Have you lost the ability to think and reason?