Murderer's criminal record wiped due to 'trans' identity

Yes me too, I think on declaring (self identifying) your “transition” however you define that, to the NHS you get a new one.

Well-spotted! It’s in the Telegraph too.

I have the same memory as you about NI numbers…

Surprisingly BBC news have...after a fashion...reported it. Admittedly it's only in the roundup of headlines (the Daily Record have it on their front page) but of all the stories they could have used they used that one!

I thought they did get a new NI number. Perhaps I'm misremembering but wasn't the original case taken to the European Court because the tw's NI no. was outing him as a tw? But regardless if a person's old and new identities can be linked for pension reasons then they can be for safeguarding reasons too.

That’s appalling.

Wes Streeting has now put a ban on the NHS changing the sex markers for under18s on NHS records after the Sullivan report uncovered a parent who changed the sex marker on a young baby a few weeks old. Horrifyingly (but unsurprisingly given the gender woowoo capture in the NHS), the GP failed to report this as a serious safeguarding concern. Details below in the Sex Matters response to the report:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/why-the-government-must-act-on-the-sullivan-review/

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https://www.gov.uk/tell-hmrc-change-of-details/gender-change

But they do get a new NHS number so it's hard to keep up!!

Ah, thank you - for some reason I thought they did, that makes far more sense! Though it does slightly raise a question in my mind of why, if a single thread can be spun for tax/pension/benefit purposes, it can't be done for safeguarding other people purposes.
Apologies, I don't think I'm being very clear!

They just change the name and gender field on the record. So anyone who has access to it will see the new ID. But they don't get a new NI number.

I think Cake is thinking about the difficulty of linking their contributions pre-New Personhood if, as it seems, all connections are severed. Is there a new NINO to go with the new birth cert?

I don't think there is a sex based difference now. My husband and I both get our pensions at 67.

I think it's arguable that being able to walk away from a criminal record is detrimental to the majority of trans people. If I were recruiting for a role that required the successful applicant to pass a DBS check there is no way i would knowingly employ a tp. I don't believe I could ask if they had a GRC which would have enabled this extraordinary rebirth. Oddly, if they didn't have one and so still we're linked with their original id they would be a more attractive candidate. But if they might have a GRC i would have no way of knowing who i was actually employing.

Btw how does the DWP calculate their NI contribution, especially if they got their new identity late in life?

Birth certificates should not be changed.

I know what you mean, it also reminds me of the original purity spiral article about people on a (I think?) knitting forum berating each other for “cultural appropriation “ for daring to refer to a “kimono” while being white, and suchlike.

But I still get so amazed by how people allow themselves to both ignore obvious facts and logic fails, and also refuse to see that situations are nuanced. It is almost certainly not true that every member of any demographic is an adorable, saintly victim but least of all a demographic that lets anyone opt into it AND offers considerable rewards for doing so, especially to men and even more so to criminal men. I mean duh. Other examples are also stunning in the blinkeredness and stupidity they involve, but when it’s about keeping people safe from offenders and even that goes down the toilet without a second’s thought… it’s incredible, imagine if you could change the minds of institutions and authorities so easily on something actually positive and helpful to society instead of something that increases risk and enables dangerous men.

the other thing about the tinfoil hat effect is that these things make you so angry and frustrated that when trying to talk or argue with people who can’t see the issue you may rant and exclaim somewhat. Then you DEFINITELY are a witch “bigot” / “hate trans people”

I don't know about Peter Laing, but the Dolatowski family (a decent family, by the way) has been in the Kirkcaldy area for a good many years and Andrew Burns still has relatives in and around Kinglassie. Their families disowned them.

A local paper, I recall, quoted Andrew Burns' brother as saying that he was "at it".

Sorry, my post a 9.57 was to @WhatterySquash
My phone loves dropping quotes.

It is so ludicrous! I don't think my blood pressure could cope if I didn't laugh occasionally. I haven't broached it much with people in real life because even the sanest folk seem to be landed firmly in "be kind" and, as you say, mentioning anything other than the guardian will get a pitying eye roll.
Even mentioning Mumsnet had my dad saying "er....but isn't it really right-wing?"

I keep saying it but the internalised misogyny in Scottish society is awful. Still. That is what causes this. And some kind of weird residual shame around past homophobia eg s28 that leads to the pussyfooting around any man who appears to be a bit vulnerable/feminine. A toxic combo for women.

I don't believe Andrew Miller will have to wait until he's served his sentence. It seems the bloke who inspired this thread hasn't. Miller may currently be awaiting his gender affirming care (courtesy of the Scottish Prison Service and the pockets of taxpayers) and processing his GRC paperwork. Then there's the fragrant Isla Bryson. He'll be out sooner. He may do nothing but he may have a shiny new identity, the face tattoos (not very feminine) may have gone. He's got nothing but time to do all sorts and a craven, compliant organisation to pay for it.

Indeed.

Thanks for clearing up my mistake. I agree that it makes us sound like the nutters.

I assumed at the time that that was his intention.

It’s chilling, and as pp said, exactly what was warned about.

To answer your first question, I think people get high on their own supply - the supply in this case being the feeling of being utterly virtuous, while those who disagree are cruel and evil.

It's a phenomenon not unique to the trans debate.
<handbrake turn>
You see it in dog training now, between the force free people who eschew all punishment on one side, and those who accept that punishment works and is sometimes either the best or only option.
The first batch refer to science based on surveys or on dodgy methodology (and totally ignore some serious and hard-hitting stuff) and are preachy and vocal. They can be revolting to anyone who disagrees and especially to those who go over to the other side - which in their eyes is comprised of evil, cruel, ignorant, unkind people who like hurting dogs. You wanna be the good guy? Then don't so much as say no to Fido. It's an easy sell... You can feel like a saint AND look down on the 'dinosaurs' living in the 'dark ages'.

You can get very high on that supply. I see it all the time.

Sorry for the derail. Just trying to stress that this desire to 'be kind' whatever the eveidence is quite a widespread phenomenon.