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Floisme · 15/06/2025 10:20

Do men ever get annoyed at being endlessly represented as being so bigoted and so out of control that they can't share a toilet with someone looking like Jack without resorting to abuse and violence?

TWETMIRF · 15/06/2025 10:19

In my clubbing days there was always a bouncer on the toilet doors to make sure that no man went in the ladies. It was always a big, burly man though as they had to be able to deal with men kicking off. Problem then was men hassling women who were trying to get away rather than ones who thought they had lady feels.

You were also not allowed to take drinks into the toilet so there was a little table outside where you had to leave it if you didn't have anyone to look after it.

TheIceBear · 15/06/2025 10:15

Regardless of anything else , I think it’s ridiculous for a man to be standing in the corner crying after being asked to use the men’s loo. It’s so over the top. Should men who don’t “present as feminine “ also be allowed walk into the women’s loos ?

GallantKumquat · 15/06/2025 10:14

AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:33

Yes but by making it about the toilets we can keep focus on the already privileged men and deflect from the real issues can't we.

I think we should stop engaging in talk about toilets tbh. I understand why they're important but it's not the only important thing in all this is it?

When I wrote to my MP about the ruling recently I spoke about representation on boards, all women shortlists and women's participation in public life specifically for this reason.

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Unfortunately, the ridiculousness of the current state of men's rights toilet activism 😅 makes it hard ignore and resist making snarky comments. 😳

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 10:10

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 10:00

So it’s made up? The Guardian is responsible here for going for such nonsense.

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Well it's entirely possible a female bouncer told this obviously male person not to use the womens toilets.

The way it's framed by the guardian is another matter, with nonsense about toilet police, randoms helping him, not being able to use the gents in such an 'accepting' place. Now all that is fiction.

BastardesEverywhere · 15/06/2025 10:10

This is so obviously a work of fiction. Especially the poor bouncer kindly touching his arm and saying 'it's just the way things are now' 🤢😂 I mean come on.

Anyway. Get your cock out in the gents for your piss, Jack. Cry harder about it.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 15/06/2025 10:07

Stocky woman…of course. Her appearance is very relevant 🤦‍♀️

KnottyAuty · 15/06/2025 10:07

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 15/06/2025 10:04

This is it exactly

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Perhaps tomorrow the Guardian will publish an article or comment about someone in a dress who parked unlawfully and got a ticket but feels that was unwelcoming?

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 15/06/2025 10:04

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

This is it exactly

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 15/06/2025 10:03

And there she was. The literal toilet police. She was a stocky woman marking each visitor as they approached the door and, as we passed, she raised a finger of doom and pointed it at me. “NO,” she commanded, then rotated the finger towards the masculine pictogram.

Really? Really?. Since when does any venue have an actual person outside the toilets making sure everyone goes to the right one. I've not seen that in the twenty years I've lived in the UK.
I can maybe believe he was challenged but the whole thing reads like fantasy.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/06/2025 10:03

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 09:58

Eddie Izzard?

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I want the laugh emoji back!😥

SunnieShine · 15/06/2025 10:03

zanahoria · 15/06/2025 08:53

So is this an actual Australian or someone identifying as one?

Where's the "laugh" emoji when you need it? 😂

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/06/2025 10:02

OldCrone · 15/06/2025 09:07

Ridiculous, isn't it? It's an accepting space. Nobody's going to beat him up if he goes in the men's loos.

I think this is Jack. Long-haired bloke with earrings.

The Wheeler Centre - Jack Nicholls

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Ooh, look at that duper’s delight smile

it’s definitely a thing. I’ve seen it time and time again on these men

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 10:00

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 09:59

And turns 'bouncer tells bloke not to use the womens toilet' into drivel the guardian will publish.

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So it’s made up? The Guardian is responsible here for going for such nonsense.

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 09:59

AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:46

Something Margaret Atwood made up so she could be more special than Phillip K Dick

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And turns 'bouncer tells bloke not to use the womens toilet' into drivel the guardian will publish.

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 09:58

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

Eddie Izzard?

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

KnottyAuty · 15/06/2025 09:50

FuriousAndFrustrated · 15/06/2025 09:12

I read that last night and somehow I just don't believe it happened. I certainly don't believe the bit about strangers clamouring in his defence!

At the bottom of the article Jack is described as a “speculative fiction writer”.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 15/06/2025 09:49

LizzieSiddal · 15/06/2025 09:10

So Jack is upset because when he puts on a dress he isn’t allowed into the Ladies.

Fuck off Jack.

Couldn’t agree more

LizzieSiddal · 15/06/2025 09:48

I really wish they’d allow comments on articles like this. I’m not sure they’d go in Jacks favour, however it is the Guardian.Hmm

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AudHvamm · 15/06/2025 09:46

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 09:44

Wtf is 'speculative fiction'?

More made up grifting bollocks???

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Something Margaret Atwood made up so she could be more special than Phillip K Dick

Bigearringsbigsmile · 15/06/2025 09:45

If it actually happened, then good because Jack is blatantly a man! Men hsve no place in women's dpaces

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 09:44

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/06/2025 09:41

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

Ah yes, speculative fiction, and this badly written piece is definitely speculative fiction. And, presumably, trans Australian = not Australian.

Wtf is 'speculative fiction'?

More made up grifting bollocks???

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/06/2025 09:41

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

Ah yes, speculative fiction, and this badly written piece is definitely speculative fiction. And, presumably, trans Australian = not Australian.

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