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Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 11:01

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 09:58

Eddie Izzard?

But not anyone currently trying to claim that the average trans person is Hayley Cropper and trying to challenge the SC ruling on that basis.

From his internet presence he identifies as gender queer, but his lifestyle is pretty gender conforming.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/06/2025 11:00

Pure click bait, I think.

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 10:57

HappyNewTaxYear · 15/06/2025 10:53

So the Guardian Australia have edited this for a very particular purpose then. Shameful.

yep.

And are pushing that any male person who decides on a given moment that they are ‘feminine’ should access female toilets.

I suspect that this article will be piquing the interest of those who keep denying that these male people demanding toilet access is about boundary violation and entitlement. I think this person will be not winning support at all.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 15/06/2025 10:54

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:36

A dress and full makeup. Don't forget the makeup.

Edited

Oh I only ever use public toilets once I’ve put on a full face of makeup not to mention paint my nails and don my heels. I carry this costume around with me whenever I have to prove my womanhood [another face palm]

HappyNewTaxYear · 15/06/2025 10:53

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 10:49

These screenshots I got from twitter explain a whole lot more. From his substack.

Liminally. So gender fluid. And uses male toilets very easily.

This was about making a story.

So the Guardian Australia have edited this for a very particular purpose then. Shameful.

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 10:50

For those who want the twitter link to the screenshots

x.com/mrsskys/status/1934184269301026832?s=46

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:50

MoistVonL · 15/06/2025 10:39

And you read the longer version? Talk about taking one for the team, mate…

😆

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 10:49

These screenshots I got from twitter explain a whole lot more. From his substack.

Liminally. So gender fluid. And uses male toilets very easily.

This was about making a story.

The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet
The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet
The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet
Brainworm · 15/06/2025 10:46

I’m counting down the seconds until social media posts start trending with accounts from the women who had his back and those who saw him crying and thought he deserved it. The ‘stocky bouncer’ will be tagged, with her mates providing friendly banter about her 5 mins of fame.

These days, nothing stays secret, even with super injunctions in place. We’ll have eye witness accounts any minute now……

TheSandgroper · 15/06/2025 10:44

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/06/2025 09:41

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

Ah yes, speculative fiction, and this badly written piece is definitely speculative fiction. And, presumably, trans Australian = not Australian.

Trans Australian = a railway line.

Ginmonkeyagain · 15/06/2025 10:44

If it was a busy or high risk venue there could have been security placed near the toilets to keep an eye out for drug dealing and other risky behaviour.

A friend of mine works in welfare services for various festivals and events. and at some they place staff near the toilet areas to keep a look out for drug taking and sexual assault and to help vulnerable people.

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 10:43

"I was visiting family in London when the British supreme court handed down its unexpected ruling: under the Equality Act, sex was now considered “binary” in law, which meant transgender people could be banned from single-sex spaces of their gender identity. The Labour government, which had come into office promising us “dignity”, capitulated."

The Guardian are failing their readers by publishing this.

The government did not 'capitulate'. They must comply with the law, just as any other government must.

Sex has always been binary in law. Leaving aside trans issues, this was recently confirmed by a different judgement https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/news/court-of-appeal-rules-that-nonbinary-gender-cannot-be-registered-in-the-uk/ and was not considered by the SC.

The SC considered a different question - whether a GRC can change somebody's sex for the purposes of the EA. However, it has always been the case that a single sex space could be segregated by sex, and it was confirmed in 2022 that somebody without a GRC does not have any right at all to use the facilities of the opposite sex.

Whether or not toilets should be mixed sex is a different question and the Guardian is free to campaign on that or any other issue, through normal democratic processes. However, my tip to them would be find lawyers who understand the law as it is, not as they would like it to be. It gets better results in court.

Court of Appeal rules that nonbinary gender cannot be registered in the UK - Matrix Chambers

Court of Appeal rules that nonbinary gender cannot be registered in the UK. Chris Buttler KC represented the Claimant, instructed by Leigh Day.

https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/news/court-of-appeal-rules-that-nonbinary-gender-cannot-be-registered-in-the-uk/

theDudesmummy · 15/06/2025 10:42

I don't believe a word of it, absolute nonsense.

SalfordQuays · 15/06/2025 10:40

FloridaCat · 15/06/2025 10:36

There is a much longer piece on Jack's Substack where the venue is named. It is telling that the Guardian editors decided to omit that.

What is the name of the venue? I’d like to ask them if they actually have a “stocky woman” guarding the women’s toilets….

MoistVonL · 15/06/2025 10:39

FloridaCat · 15/06/2025 10:36

There is a much longer piece on Jack's Substack where the venue is named. It is telling that the Guardian editors decided to omit that.

And you read the longer version? Talk about taking one for the team, mate…

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 10:39

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:28

The amount of detail about the "pissing" makes this sound almost fetishistic.

And as a PP said, the writing style is utterly cringeworthy.

The writing marks him out as a male aggressor. He sounds like he is, a male wearing an earring and dress demanding access to women’s facilities.

FloridaCat · 15/06/2025 10:36

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/06/2025 10:31

That’s quite telling, isn’t it. We’ve seen on here the tiny number of places that have said they will be going along with the SC ruling — vastly overwhelmed by the number that have publicly said they won’t. I find it hard to believe that a place that is as alternative and accepting would have rolled over as described in the article.

There is a much longer piece on Jack's Substack where the venue is named. It is telling that the Guardian editors decided to omit that.

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:36

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 09:56

Without trying to be derisory, this seems to be, literally, a story about a man arguing that he should be entitled to use women's facilities because he has put on a dress.

It's not clear who it is supposed to help?

A dress and full makeup. Don't forget the makeup.

KnottyAuty · 15/06/2025 10:34

TheIceBear · 15/06/2025 10:15

Regardless of anything else , I think it’s ridiculous for a man to be standing in the corner crying after being asked to use the men’s loo. It’s so over the top. Should men who don’t “present as feminine “ also be allowed walk into the women’s loos ?

I was once told to stand at the back of the temple with the other women on a cultural visit. I was horrified but understood it was their space so I didn’t make a fuss. Or write to the newspapers to invite bad feeling about members of that faith group. It didn’t occur to me to try to bully my way in. That’s what I consider to be a tolerant society - I don’t like their beliefs but I can live with it. The female sing sex spaces are ours - what is with these intolerant males barging in? Then accusing us of bigotry? It’s the most ridiculous thing

Helleofabore · 15/06/2025 10:32

The use of ‘presenting feminine’ and ‘masculine pictogram’ is very telling in my opinion.

This person thinks it is all about presentation and cannot conceive that it is about the needs of having a female sexed body. So… a typical bloke interpretation of the need for female toilets.

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:32

"...their stories can be found in science-fiction anthologies and online magazines of variable repute."

Ha ha! Variable repute indeed.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/06/2025 10:31

FloridaCat · 15/06/2025 10:26

Why doesn't Jack name the venue? Because if it is an "alternative hub that has always prided itself on being an accepting space" there is no way it would have toilet police. In fact, I don't actually believe any venue in the UK has suddenly newly appointed toilet police?

I am sympathetic to trans people and tbh am not worried personally about sharing a loo, but I take this story with a massive pinch of salt.

Edited

That’s quite telling, isn’t it. We’ve seen on here the tiny number of places that have said they will be going along with the SC ruling — vastly overwhelmed by the number that have publicly said they won’t. I find it hard to believe that a place that is as alternative and accepting would have rolled over as described in the article.

proximalhumerous · 15/06/2025 10:28

The amount of detail about the "pissing" makes this sound almost fetishistic.

And as a PP said, the writing style is utterly cringeworthy.

skippy67 · 15/06/2025 10:27

OldCrone · 15/06/2025 09:07

Ridiculous, isn't it? It's an accepting space. Nobody's going to beat him up if he goes in the men's loos.

I think this is Jack. Long-haired bloke with earrings.

The Wheeler Centre - Jack Nicholls

So feminine...😐

FloridaCat · 15/06/2025 10:26

Why doesn't Jack name the venue? Because if it is an "alternative hub that has always prided itself on being an accepting space" there is no way it would have toilet police. In fact, I don't actually believe any venue in the UK has suddenly newly appointed toilet police?

I am sympathetic to trans people and tbh am not worried personally about sharing a loo, but I take this story with a massive pinch of salt.