The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet

Interesting that in its continued coverage of the SC judgement, the Guardian has another story about some poor marginalised soul who is being denied the most basic of human rights - the right to pee (in the opposite sex toilets).

I wonder why they haven't reported on the fact that Adam Graham, AKA Isla Bryson, has said he is pleased that Victoria McCloud is challenging the ruling at the ECtHR, because it helps his case to be be put back in a women's prison. Why doesn't the Guardian focus on this aspect of the SC ruling 🤔

What a testerical story. I'm surprised the bouncer touched his arm; I have an acquaintance who is a bouncer, he was once telling me, after doing a training course, there are many rules around touching clientele.

Has anyone done a study on the countries where self ID has become law and their figures on violence against w&g? I was reading about Denmark yesterday which made me think of this. I’ve worked with lots of Aussie males and their attitudes to women were incredibly dismissive. New Zealanders to a lesser extent but still patriarchal compared to the UK. Are we TERF Islamd because it’s actually (relatively) a good place to be a woman? That we have the means, method and education to fight back?

I should have noted that the photo of Ed Iz is a photo of him in a queue for the women's toilet.

It's a notorious photo which has been posted here before, but I should remember that everybody hasn't seen every single thing that was ever posted here

If we make that a rule, the massive toilet queue will change to the gents as more women wear trousers than wear skirts/dresses.

Maybe he identifies as a writer?

Of course he lives in Melbourne. I recall my husband being worried when I wore my “None Shall Pass” t-shirt to a gaming convention in Melbourne.

No I don't, but just for a second let's say it is.

How did he know the toilet police was a woman?

Why didn't his girlfriends just take him in to the gents?

This is a good point. Is he saying if a woman wears say jeans jumper and trainers she must go in the men’s that day but can use the women’s if she’s in a dress?

KOKO email address is [email protected] if anyone wants to show their support.

That is a very good picture of what, IME, most women wear most of the time.

I respect anyone, male or female, who wants to make the effort to dress up (I love period drama), but most of the time women are just wearing clothes that fit their bodies and comfortable shoes.

They look female because they have female bodies, not because they are making an effort to present as a gender.

'Masculine presenting' women (that stocky made up one for example) should use the gents then? Right?

Which toilet do I use if I'm wearing jeans? I'm confused. Silly me thinking I'm a woman.

This is the level of STOOOOOOPPPIID we are at.

Hang on If he only uses the men’s when he is in men’s clothes why would he get the side eye and smirks?
I’m calling bull shit on the whole thing

I know Koko although I haven’t been there for some years. It had a refurbishment a few years ago and I think is a lot swankier than it used to be. There is a section that is a private members club. I’ll ask my local mates if anyone has been recently.

Ahhh. Ok KOKO. So I go there a fair bit. The bouncers are not there to "enforce toilet rules" it is a rambling multi level Victorian era venue with toilets up narrow stair cases and in odd places, they often have securityhere to keep the queues moving and make ure stairs aren't blocked. The ladies in particular get very over crowded.

I imagine the poor woman simply saw a man in the queue and directed Jack to the gents, men in dresses aren't exactly a shocking sight in London clubs. He should havr been pleased. Queues for the ladies at KOKO are epic (and there are also always issues with the basement ones blocking/being flooded 🫠)

Have these men really not noticed that most women wear trousers at least some of the time?
Not even really really clever men like Eddie Izzard seem to notice that..

Well put. It is genuinely dismaying when you realise that a proportion of men see women as ‘humans in skirts with long hair’.

So the rationale for illegally invading women's spaces is that he can't cope with smirks? OMG Jack, how awful it would be to be smirked at (as opposed to leered at, harassed, pawed etc, all of which have happened to pretty much any woman on a night out).

“Not out of genuine fear of violence, but more as an escape from the smirks and side-eye I’d experienced in men’s toilets in the past. If I was going to make people uncomfortable in either room, the lesser disruption had seemed to be to go with female friends whose presence could reassure other women of my non-rapist credentials.”

So he wasn't scared of violence. He had the choice of either going in the women's toilet and making lots of women uncomfortable, and perhaps fearful, or being uncomfortable himself in the men's because he thought the other men might laugh at him. So being a complete self-centred arsehole, he chose to upset loads of women rather than be a bit uncomfortable himself.

Not surprised in the least. But the fact that he thinks this is 'lesser disruption'... He must think that 1 man is worth 10 or 20 women or something.

From those screen shots Helleofabore posted:

If I am going to make people uncomfortable I choose to make women uncomfortable because they are lesser beings

Grade A misogynist.

Marie 🤣

I'm not sure about the gendered status of crying vs weeping in Australia, but I do know that women glow and men plunder

“Not out of genuine fear of violence, but more as an escape from the smirks and side-eye I’d experienced in men’s toilets in the past."

So no genuine fear of violence even when wearing a dress?

Is Jack a terf?

Jack Nicholls is a British-Australian essayist and speculative-fiction writer based in Melbourne

And this article is the acme of speculative fiction, as in a load of horse shit. If this is the best he can do I suspect his future is not bright.

I may not have been allowed to wash my hands. But the British state has made it clear that it has washed its hands of me.

If nothing else, it's such cringe-inducing writing. He reminds me of Adrian Mole.

It also reminds me of RMW writing in his blog (when he was still at the occasional crossdresser stage) about deciding which toilet to used based on whether or not he was dressed in 'skirt and heels'.

Those stick figures on toilet doors have a lot to answer for if cross-dressing men think that they are literally about what people are wearing. On that basis, most women would be using the men's because they're wearing trousers like the figure on the door.

Have these men really not noticed that most women wear trousers at least some of the time?