The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet

I also think there is a complacency about fact checking for an audience that is willing to accept absurdities like Jack's frockgender. They've created a news bubble for and with a willing audience.

Perhaps why I now trust the Guardian's news reporting so little, it's become a web comic driven by overwhelming ideological bias.

It could be that every incident gets reported because the victim feels something will be done rather than thinking what's the point nothing will happen and I will be marked as 'difficult'

Is it?

Or is it that they count harassment cases differently because they take it more seriously?

I don't know.

They just don't care. They know it will generate clicks and therefore revenue.

It is odd that those countries that do so well in the gender equality research have such a bad rep with sexism and harrassment....

I would love to understand the Guardian’s decision making process when deciding to publish this.

They must have known that

1). The story they published missed key details.
2) it’s easy to find the original Substack story and details of this man’s life.

Would it have been approved for publication in Australia? Does that explain why the incorrect analysis of the SC decision was published, or do they just not check facts in opinion columns?

Or have they just cut too many staff and nobody checks anything?

His partner/wife ran as a councillor last year, for the Greens. They've just had a baby and had many publicity shots en famille.

Some people might say a heterosexual couple taking lots of selfies and calling themselves 'queer' is absurd, tasteless, and offensive.

But I guess he does have long hair.

Yes this definitely happened although I'm surprised that all the women in the toilet didn't clap at his bravery 🙄

*”I had a workplace situation here that a lawyer advised me was going to be very long and stressful to remedy that was a clear cut case in Australia.”

sorry. That should be ‘that would have been a clear cut case’.

Every time I have seen a man kicked out of the ladies at Koko (and it has been happening regularly for at least a decade) it was because they were suspected of taking coke in the cubicles, or shagging.

I don’t think Jack has fallen afoul of the toilet gender police here, just the standard toilet security guards.

I would also take care when reading these stats too. Because I suspect you might find that there are more protective legislation in Australia industrial relations. I was shocked when I moved to the UK at what was overlooked here compared to in Australia. I had a workplace situation here that a lawyer advised me was going to be very long and stressful to remedy that was a clear cut case in Australia.

So, sometimes stats can be deceptive and I love stats.

I'm really really surprised by the Scandi results. Have we been fed on a diet of propaganda about how wonderfully liberal these places are? Just depends on how they decide to frame the numbers I guess -"lies, damned lies, and statistics"

ETA typo

https://www.lrfoundation.org.uk/sites/default/files/2024-06/LRF_2021_report_safe-at-work.pdf?_gl=11djoyif_gcl_auMjEzMjYwMTI2OC4xNzUwMDI0Njg5_gaNzg0MTIyNTAuMTc1MDAyNDY4OA.._ga_BC2H827C86*czE3NTAwMjQ2OTAkbzEkZzEkdDE3NTAwMjQ2OTAkajYwJGwwJGgw

this is a study on work place harrassment.

australia and NZ apparently have most work place harassment.

However I haven’t read the study to find out how they accounted for different levels of monitoring and reporting systems.

Nordic countries also do badly.

Ok. I’d just like to find the stats to see what the numbers say and how different countries compare. Light googling suggests that
the rate of partner or former partner killings in Australia has in recent times been twice has high as the UK. But those figures look a bit odd and need checking. I’d like to compare with Europe - Scandi countries look surprisingly bad

It was a huge melodrama. And I don’t think it has gone down the way that Jack expected. He has certainly shone a huge beacon where the UK lobby groups don’t want it to be shone.

I don’t know where the federal stats are. I would assume that each state collects their own VAWG stats.

However, are you now saying Australian men are more likely to commit VAWG rather than just Australian men being ‘dismissive’?

And I work in a male dominated industry too. As I said, I have found the sexism as bad if not worse in the UK. But there is this narrative that gets rolled out on MN quite often, so I am now going to push back on it.

Oh but the DRRRRAMMMMA!!!!!

That really is a 'trans australian' then!

🤣 ngl you have to wonder if Guardian trans coverage is a psyop 🤔

Yeah, it's complete histrionics.

"now I needed to piss, and I was afraid."

"Sensing my discomfort my friends loyally announced their own need to pee"

"My friends came to the rescue, telling the guard to back off and escorting me into the women’s, which was crowded with people. Gaze fixed downwards to hide my humiliationn, I pushed into a cubicle and peed. My head was ringing, there were raised voices outside, then the rap at the door."

"Britain has become a country where trans people can be yanked from their sports teams; where cash-strapped businesses can be forced to ghettoise their customers"

"For a minute afterwards I stood crying against the wall. Then the toilet policewoman returned and took up position in front of me. She looked a little ashamed, and she touched a now-gentler hand to my arm."

Actually, there isn't a sentence in that article that is not overblown and ludicrous.

Pure fantasy. Not a word of it rings true.

He seems very self entitled with no empathy for women. My nephew wears dresses and make up sometimes but he never uses the ladies. He is perplexed by this guy's arguments. He knows he is male and the dress doesn't change that.

This another mass peaking event. Lots of people sharing his original article not the edited version.

Keep promoting the ultra creeps TAs.

I’m just going on impressions from a male dominated industry - so agree this could be very biased. Where would I find VAWG figures for Oz?

Man not allowed in women's toilet. My heart bleeds.

that’s the thing about oppression: it widens. It affects us all.

It's oppression now, is it, to deny a man entry to the women's toilet?
Fuck off mate.