The Guardian - Trans Australian kicked out of toilet

Jack “one of the best writers” AP knows and also entirely coincidentally the son of one of NG’s oldest friends.

Total non story. He wasn't kicked out of the toilet, he went in there, used the toilet and left.

I saw Iggy Pop there and many others 😢

I went to a Frankie Goes To Hollywood gig at the Camden Palace back in the day.

T'was wild.

I don't suppose the vibe has changed much.

Intrigued, so I googled:

amandapalmer.net/posts/art-asking-abortion-jack-gabys-3rd-foreign-tour-correspondent-project-official-thing/

What now???

Honestly. I’d have thought if the Guardian was going to pay Jack for a story they’d have picked one that people would want to read. Like the inside story of his close relationship with Neil Gaiman and Amanda Palmer. And whether they all have boundary issues.

Whilst I would applaud any woman telling a dude in a dress to leave the women’s toilet, after reading this utterly sensationalistic narrative, I call bullshit. Jack has made this up!

The venue was KoKo that was known as the Camden Palace for about twenty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koko_(music_venue)

It has been edited out. What a surprise.

I’ve just read the whole substack story (minutes of my life that I’ll never get back) and didn’t see the name of the venue?

The guardian have form for deliberately misleading stories. I remember one about the poor trans women burglar who wanted to be transferred to a women's prison. The guardian neglected to mention that he was breaking into houses and engaging in sexual acts using the underwear of the female occupants. They also neglected to mention his extensive criminal record for voyeurism and violence.

And who could forget their coverage of the cologne wolf pack attacks.

The days of the guardian being vaguely reputable and reliable are long past.

Agree

You can tell if so. Just so much nonsense.

Sorry Nordic not Norwich !!

Koko sounds like exactly the sort of place where a man in a dress would be safe in the gents.

On the subject of why countries like Australia, New Zealand, the Norwich countries have such high levels of male on female violence, I think I read somewhere that they all have highly macho cultures alongside all the "wokeness", which actually was put in place specifically because of the macho culture.

The issue in the Norwich countries is actually called "the Nordic Paradox". In Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Nigeria etc they blame colonialism. You can Google for more info on both of these.

The Guardian aren’t signed up to IPSO. They regulate themselves.

Men usually don't talk at all in the gents.

I haven’t been watching the reaction but is Jack getting rightful flack from the UK trans activists for blowing their arguments that only marginalised and vulnerable male people who are ‘living as women’ are those accessing the female toilets?

I think Jack has done a great job. Jack looks to be an ‘influencer’ and this was Jack’s big push at building Jack’s audience. It certainly highlighted heaps of things that the UK activists wanted to deflect attention away from. But there came Jack and Jack has jacked the agreed narrative for Jack’s moment in the spotlight.

And the Guardian knows that it will not get any pushback from IPSO as they are not fit for purpose in this area.

Exactly.

I don’t know who is more manipulative: the author for trying to emotionally manipulate people into allowing men into women’s spaces with this piece of trash fantasy article, or the Guardian, for deliberately editing it to leave out the crucial information about the author being a man who happily uses male spaces in his life.

They can both get in the bin.

we should possibly send Jack thank you cards - he's been a great help to feminism even if not how he expected

Really bad from the Guardian. The writer has started off on a misunderstanding of the SC judgment, and the editors have let him run with it.

Either he knows, in which case the G is allowing its writers to mislead, or he doesn’t know and it’s allowing them to make fools of themselves in print.

They've created a news bubble for and with a willing audience.

But don’t seem to realise that Jack is not transsexual in any way that would have been recognised by the courts or legislators in 2004, and highlighting his case isn’t helpful to those making an argument based on vulnerability or commitment to medical treatment.

The story demonstrates that men who wear dresses to access women’s toilets aren’t ‘cis men who would attack women anywhere, why would they go to the trouble’, but just normal men with no respect for the boundaries that women are entitled to maintain in law.