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Keir Starmer to launch grooming gangs inquiry that will make witnesses testify

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IwantToRetire · 15/06/2025 01:14

Keir Starmer has confirmed that there will be a statutory inquiry into grooming gangs which means it will have the power to compel witnesses to testify and provide documents

The Prime Minister, who has previously resisted calls for another probe, said it was now "the right thing to do". And he confirmed it would be a statutory inquiry, which means it will have legal powers to compel witnesses to testify and produce documents. It comes as the findings of Baroness Dame Louise Casey's rapid audit into group-based child exploitation and abuse are due to be announced next week.

Mr Starmer said: "I have never said we should not look again at any issue. I have wanted to be assured that on the question of any inquiry. That's why I asked Louise Casey who I hugely respect to do an audit.

"Her position when she started the audit was that there was not a real need for a national inquiry over and above what was going on. She has looked at the material she has looked at and she has come to the view that there should be a national inquiry on the basis of what she has seen."

The PM added: "I have read every single word of her report and I am going to accept her recommendation. That is the right thing to do on the basis of what she has put in her audit.

"I asked her to do that job to double check on this; she has done that job for me and having read her report, I respect her in any event. I shall now implement her recommendations." According to a leak of Baroness Casey's review, it is said to state some victims were "institutionally ignored for fear of racism."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/keir-starmer-says-grooming-gangs-35393814

Keir Starmer to launch grooming gangs inquiry that will make witnesses testify

Keir Starmer has confirmed that there will be a statutory inquiry into grooming gangs which means it will have the power to compel witnesses to testify and provide documents

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/keir-starmer-says-grooming-gangs-35393814

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WarriorN · 16/06/2025 08:57

fromorbit · 16/06/2025 05:01

I have come across Miah. I am a bit suspicious of his claims, he seems to be tied into local Oldham internal politics, and maybe be publicity motivated. When I dug around came across some interesting elements from his background he doesn't mention. Take a look at this article. However he claims to have this huge dossier of evidence relating to Oldham so if he does now is the chance to turn it over to the enquiry. He refused to do it before for another enquiry which is suspicious. If he does have real information then why not share it? Yes people have been targeted because they wanted to say the truth, but a lot of women with more to lose have have taken the risk.

https://manchestermill.co.uk/elon-musk-thinks-there-is-a-hidden/

that’s really interesting, thank you. It explains some things about him that have niggled me.

Miah had been telling his followers it was designed to further the cover-up rather than expose it. In a sense, anyone who followed Miah had been primed to dismiss Newsam and Ridgeway’s work before they had even put pen to paper, which they duly did.

this tactic is now commonplace everywhere. We will certainly see it with this enquiry. It’s clear that it now has to happen as there is so much distrust in past and current ongoing investigations.

Unfortunately I’m starting to think the purpose may end up being as much around establishing the truth about the councils and professionals who did do their best in order to protect them, as much as the victims and protecting future victims.

Kendodd · 16/06/2025 08:46

Am I the only one who thinks this is a terrible idea that just kicks the can years/decades down the road and costs hundreds of millions?
We've had an enquiry, it took seven years and cost £200 million and produced 20 recommendations. Have they been implemented I wonder? I would much, much rather tell police to investigate cold cases, encourage victims who didn't get justice to report to police. Give police the power to investigate the people who covered up or dismissed victims (including police officers who did this).
Ffs, no more talking, we all know what happened, action is what's needed.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 16/06/2025 05:56

*fromorbit *that sums up my impression too.

I came across him a few years ago and found the info about the financial issues and the interminable and impenetrable run-ins and infighting between local politicians, what seemed like a lot of smoke and mirrors.

On the other hand, the trail did lead me to videos of Oldham Council meetings. These were pretty shocking and I was not impressed at all by Sean Fielding. Joshi Herrmann, Founder of The Mill, has written a virtual hagiography of Fielding in his 2021 article about Miah, so I am not too sure about his objectivity either.

https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-poisoning-of-oldham-politics/

Given the above, I have ignored Miah's recent output.

I spent too much time following up his earlier writings plus writings about him, trying to work out what could be substantiated and what was actually relevant. Life is just too short to go down that rabbit hole again.

It is a job for an investigative journalist from completely outside all the local shenanigans and politics to explore. That is something that I would definitely be interested to read.

Grooming gangs, cartels and the poisoning of Oldham's politics

Sean Fielding was a young council leader and a Labour rising star. Then he found himself accused of sanctioning the sexual abuse of children

https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-poisoning-of-oldham-politics/

fromorbit · 16/06/2025 05:01

rebmacesrevda · 15/06/2025 20:32

Is anyone following Raja Miah on this story? He’s been blowing the whistle for years, but has had no interviews on mainstream media. I don’t know whether the story is too hot for them to handle, or whether they think he’s lying (or a loony). I’m inclined to believe him, but I know my instinct ain’t evidence… Anyone know him or any insight on him?

I have come across Miah. I am a bit suspicious of his claims, he seems to be tied into local Oldham internal politics, and maybe be publicity motivated. When I dug around came across some interesting elements from his background he doesn't mention. Take a look at this article. However he claims to have this huge dossier of evidence relating to Oldham so if he does now is the chance to turn it over to the enquiry. He refused to do it before for another enquiry which is suspicious. If he does have real information then why not share it? Yes people have been targeted because they wanted to say the truth, but a lot of women with more to lose have have taken the risk.

https://manchestermill.co.uk/elon-musk-thinks-there-is-a-hidden/

Elon Musk thinks there is a hidden grooming scandal in Oldham. Why can’t the police find it?

This week’s controversy can be traced back to a vicious online campaign that has terrified politicians – but struggled to substantiate its claims

https://manchestermill.co.uk/elon-musk-thinks-there-is-a-hidden/

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 16/06/2025 04:51

This needs to change:

"Of course, it is one of the biggest weaknesses of the public inquiry system: it is wonderful for establishing truth and so on, but the big weakness is that there is no provision for structured monitoring of whether action is taken or not, and verification of that action as part of the whole system afterwards."

Professor Alexis Jay CBE, Chair, Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
Home Affairs Committee
Oral evidence: Implementation of Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, HC 616
Tuesday 21 January 2025

https://committees.parliament.uk/event/22869/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

IwantToRetire · 16/06/2025 02:51

I agree with earlier post that it seems really strange that Labour was so adament that a national enquiry wasn't needed when they were waiting on this "rapid audit".

Personally having Louise Casey do anything means that in the end nothing will happen.

If she had any intergrity should would refuse to do any more and say I am not going to go on doing this audits or whatever because nothing every happens.

I dont think a national enquiry will produce any results. Leaving aside which communities the men concerned are part of, it has been known for years that local councils either cover up or are just unable to take action because too often it is their politics or failed social services that allow the exploitation to continue. Remember Lambeth, victims are still asking for a proper report and this is decades ago. And Islington that despite obvious evidence nothing happened and the then local Labour politicians are now "esteemed elders" of the Labour party.

And this is why local enquiries wont work. They could never be neutral or not be fullly informed.

I really dont know what the answer is.

This article argues that as per the IICSA (now 3 years old) action needs to be taken.

The final report of IICSA put forward 20 core recommendations, including on mandatory reporting of sexual abuse, action on online abuse and the creation of a Child Protection Authority. We are still waiting for change.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/new-inquiry-child-sexual-exploitation

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rebmacesrevda · 15/06/2025 20:32

Is anyone following Raja Miah on this story? He’s been blowing the whistle for years, but has had no interviews on mainstream media. I don’t know whether the story is too hot for them to handle, or whether they think he’s lying (or a loony). I’m inclined to believe him, but I know my instinct ain’t evidence… Anyone know him or any insight on him?

ZImono · 15/06/2025 19:31

I also hate that its called grooming.

Grooming makes you they have these young girls i a powder pink room sat in front of an 1990s argos style vanity mirror and these creeps are behind them giving their hair 100 brush strokes with a sliver plated paddle brush instead of the reality which is drugging, raping, torturing and terrorising them and then firebombing their families homes when they try and get their daughters away from this scum.

Imnobody4 · 15/06/2025 19:25

Rachel Reeves failing to inspire respect or confidence when asked simple question by Trevor Philips.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1934157146280653303?t=n5JDdE5cAA1rsUuIXnacXA&s=19

The most important thing is not people’s hurt feelings about how they’ve been spoken about’

@TrevorPTweets presses Chancellor @RachelReevesMP on whether the government was wrong to dismiss calls for a grooming gang inquiry as misinformation.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1934157146280653303?s=19&t=n5JDdE5cAA1rsUuIXnacXA

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 18:36

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 18:12

Yes - rape and torture gangs.

Human traffickers as well. They moved those children around the UK for others to rape.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 15/06/2025 18:24

mrshoho · 15/06/2025 16:59

And not just police but social workers too! These people were responsible for children's safeguarding. It's bloody disgraceful and you'd be forgiven for thinking this attitude was buried back in the Victorian times but here this happened in the 2000's.

Yes one of the social workers went to the wedding of one of the victims, who had been coerced into marrying one of her torturers.

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 18:16

mrshoho · 15/06/2025 16:59

And not just police but social workers too! These people were responsible for children's safeguarding. It's bloody disgraceful and you'd be forgiven for thinking this attitude was buried back in the Victorian times but here this happened in the 2000's.

And was happening during and after the publication and implementation of The Victoria Climbie Inquiry: report of an inquiry by Lord Laming through statutory means, i.e. The Children Act 2004. Fucking hell.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-victoria-climbie-inquiry-report-of-an-inquiry-by-lord-laming

The Victoria Climbie Inquiry: report of an inquiry by Lord Laming

This document contains the following information: The Victoria Climbie Inquiry: report of an inquiry by Lord Laming.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-victoria-climbie-inquiry-report-of-an-inquiry-by-lord-laming

TheAutumnCrow · 15/06/2025 18:12

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 15/06/2025 16:32

It’s quite offensive they are still being referred to as ‘grooming’ gangs. The rapes were horrific -they should be referring to ‘rape’ gangs.

Yes - rape and torture gangs.

mrshoho · 15/06/2025 16:59

Meadowfinch · 15/06/2025 16:50

Every police force that described girls between the ages on 10 and 16 as prostitutes, should hang their heads in shame, and be required to apologise publicly to the victims.

And not just police but social workers too! These people were responsible for children's safeguarding. It's bloody disgraceful and you'd be forgiven for thinking this attitude was buried back in the Victorian times but here this happened in the 2000's.

Meadowfinch · 15/06/2025 16:50

Every police force that described girls between the ages on 10 and 16 as prostitutes, should hang their heads in shame, and be required to apologise publicly to the victims.

orangegato · 15/06/2025 16:46

Reform pulling the strings here, he’s shit scared and rightly so.

We need name and shame of any complicit bleeding heart fuckwit who enabled this.

EdithStourton · 15/06/2025 16:42

Fucking finally.
Has Kier been pushed off the fence by Reform...?

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 15/06/2025 16:32

It’s quite offensive they are still being referred to as ‘grooming’ gangs. The rapes were horrific -they should be referring to ‘rape’ gangs.

mrshoho · 15/06/2025 16:27

LizzieSiddal · 15/06/2025 06:54

I can understand politically why he wanted Dame Louise Casey to look into this but why didn’t he state he was waiting for her findings rather than repeating constantly a national inquiry wasn’t needed?

He resisted implementing a national inquiry for as lonng as he possibly could get away with, referring to those calling for one as jumping on the far right band wagon. So does he now see himself as part of this band wagon?

nauticant · 15/06/2025 16:17

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 13:44

Two minutes ago Labour used far right and dog whistle for anyone asking for this.

Their hypocrisy is too much. Agree with pp it’s due to Reform pressure.

Here's the very video you called for:

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1876240897333207483

Does this mean Starmer is now of the "far Right"?

PronounssheRa · 15/06/2025 16:15

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 13:44

Two minutes ago Labour used far right and dog whistle for anyone asking for this.

Their hypocrisy is too much. Agree with pp it’s due to Reform pressure.

And little trumpet. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ew9jnj2p1o

Its quite clear Labour wanted to silence this. They have no choice now because of the casey review and because of Reform.

Lucy Powell seen wearing a blue jacket while holding a handbag and a red folder on the street.

Labour minister Lucy Powell sorry over grooming gangs 'dog whistle' remark

Leader of the Commons Lucy Powell has sought to clarify comments she made in "the heat of" a radio debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2ew9jnj2p1o

Freysimo · 15/06/2025 13:46

I guarantee the report will not be concluded until after the next election. Didn't all Labour MPs vote against one?

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 13:44

Two minutes ago Labour used far right and dog whistle for anyone asking for this.

Their hypocrisy is too much. Agree with pp it’s due to Reform pressure.

WarriorN · 15/06/2025 13:40

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 15/06/2025 13:20

IwantToRetire: "According to a leak of Baroness Casey's review, it is said to state some victims were "institutionally ignored for fear of racism."

This is one of several examples that have been in the public domain for years, bolding as in the original report (there are also specific details of other examples in the Telford Enquiry Report):

Independent Inquiry Telford Child Sexual Exploitation
12 July 2022
Volume 1, page 113

618.4 In around 2007, sexual exploitation meeting notes suggest that exploitation by Asian men had been "going on for years", suggesting knowledge and inaction (511) and

618.5 As I have noted elsewhere, with regard to the Council's response to complaints of racism in the field of taxi licensing, there was an immediate, almost reflexive, complete retreat which undermine enforcement - a basic public protection programme - for some years.

6.1.9 In the same way, I am satisfied that in some cases the decisions of WMP officers about whether or not to investigate a particular piece of intelligence or complaint were influenced by assumptions about race: whether because of ideas of difficulties investigating what was seen as a closed and hostile community, because of fear of complaint, or because of concern about the impact an investigation might have had on racial tensions, I cannot determine. One witness told the Inquiry that on being approached to join the Chalice team, they were reluctant: “I said no, and that was because of the Asian element, you know, we’re going to be on to a loser.” (512)

6.2.0 It would, of course, be nonsense to suggest that considerations of race and ethnicity should play no part in policing a community with a large population of a particular racial or ethnic group; but for those considerations to lead to a situation where certain streets are not patrolled, or where certain crimes are not investigated, is a dereliction of the police’s most basic duty.

6.2.1 It is impossible, sadly, not to wonder how history might have been different had the culture in the 1990s and early 2000s within the Council and WMP not been overly concerned with questions of race and placed a greater focus on child protection.

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The website for IITCSE was allowed to expire in May by Eversheds Sutherland - which does not inspire confidence that Telford & Wrekin Council have given it a high priority. Telford & Wrekin do not host a copy on their website but instead link to the expired IITCSE website at https://www.iitcse.com/

I have tried downloading a copy of Volume One the report from the "Wayback Machine" at web.archive.org to test if it was worth posting the link here but the PDF failed to load.

Telford & Wrekin have posted a timeline of actions but you cannot get a copy of the Inquiry Report or anything else that was hosted on the IITCSE site:

https://www.telford.gov.uk/children-and-young-people/safeguarding-children/child-sexual-exploitation-cse/keep-up-to-date-with-the-latest-news/

Posts about this on X:

https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1933200134118023500

Nitter: https://nitter.net/POWLizPanton/status/1933125968043921425#m

and

https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1933125968043921425

Nitter: https://nitter.net/POWLizPanton/status/1933200134118023500#m

I have contacted Charlie Peters at GBNews but so far no reply:

If I do not hear anything soon then I will contact Telford & Wrekin Council myself.

that’s really fucking concerning

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