Whale and Dolphin Conservation

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

I am entering my cat in Crufts next year.

He understands the command sit and just chooses when he will obey, somehow that tends to be when treats are on offer rather than normal food

I am thinking of entering my dog for a writing prize.

Not #uberpedant at all. Factual information that trounces the idea that DSDs have anything to do with trans woo woo.

Well, the thread is about intersex whales and there's this intersex Dutch person who has just won an award for a first novel (a women's prize) and they have said how much the trans community has helped with fixing DSDs - the person is male but presents as female...it seemed to fit...
As for the the whales, we have no idea whether whales recognise or accept DSDs but I doubt there is such a thing as a trans whale, whales know the difference between a female whale and a male one.

Why can’t whales enter writing competitions? Writing should be inclusive.

Are you sure that you are posting on the right thread?

Was this about the women’s writing prize?

I have learned more about this prizewinner. He is not a woman, apparently, but was brought up as a girl. I think he should not have got that prize. Whales might agree with me on this one.

Even more strictly speaking there is no third gamete and no such thing as intersex. There are DSDs which are sex specific. #uber-pedant

It's just not the same without it 😂

I feel that this whole story is just a Viz cartoon strip waiting to happen (ideally involving the Pathetic Sharks).

The less said about dolphins the better.

(Of course, NADALT.)

😂

The evidence against our belief that human sex is binary and immutable has just got stronger. Now the carefully-researched well-constructed TRA argument that TWAW is not just 'Because Clownfish', but also 'Because One Whale'.
I'm scared. I feel my entire Weltanschauung is teetering...

[full disclosure, I had to look up Weltanschauung, I knew there was a word like that but had to go all around the houses looking at synonyms to find it!]

Oh, I was so straight there to click on the laugh emoji before I remembered they'd taken it off us... Never mind. 😂😂😂

Don't worry. They'll be reeducated quick sharp by the noble clownfish of Stonereef.

And also “intersex species”. The (often now conspired offensive) term intersex means a DSD so it doesn’t make sense that a DSD would be a defining characteristic of a species. Some species are hermaphrodites or change sex - that is still a binary sex system even if within one individual, and is not a DSD. Some species can reproduce without sex and/or don’t have sexual reproduction at all. Also not DSDs. The whale is an individual with a DSD.

it reads as if the writer either thinks a whole species can be “intersex”, or alternatively thinks the word “species” means “animal”. That’s not good for someone in comms in an animal conservation organisation.

The unscientific part was the statement that the whale was neither male nor female. (and also the bit about not judging - like whales are going around judging each other for medical conditions)

It's disappointing that organisations are still shoehorning sex-specific dsds into the LGBTQI+ 'family'. Stonewall actually dropped the I because organisations advocating for people with DSDs said that being born with a chromosomal abnormality don't mean you're part of the 'rainbow' family. I'm glad they've deleted the post. Hopefully someone told the intern in charge of their media account that they wanted their reputation to be as a fact-based organisation not based on vague gender woo.

Also how do we know this poor whale wasn't shunned by its bigoted peers?

Bloody hell whoever wrote that knows nothing about biology at all. "Intersex species"? "Tolerance"? Do they think hermaphrodite snails kindly refrain from beating each other up because they "listened and learned instead of judging" and realised they should be tolerant?

What a sky-high pile of cak.

It's an attempt to shove trans into the rest of the mammalian world - look, whales are intersex and intersex proves sex is a spectrum which proves that gender woo is real...I think not.(Fallacy of the excluded middle, I think?)

Pedant here! That first paragraph is incorrect. There's no such thing as an intersex species. Individuals within a species can be intersex. Genetic anomalies exist because animals aren't produced on assembly lines in a factory.