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KnottyAuty · 2025-06-12T19:57:18+00:00

*NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3* *Original thread #1 here: * *[[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1]]* *Thread #2:* *[[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2]]* *This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.* *Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.* *We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness. * *As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...* *We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!? * *Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.* *Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!*

FarriersGirl · 26/06/2025 16:40

So for our next region we have the South West and the trust list is below. I will start allocating from tomorrow so if anyone has any special requests let me know.

Acute Trusts in the South West region

Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
North Bristol NHS Trust
Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust
Royal Devon University Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
Royal United Hospitals Bath NHS Foundation Trust
Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
Somerset NHS Foundation Trust
Torbay and South Devon Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Plymouth NHS Trust

Community and Mental Health Trusts and Providers

Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust
Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
Devon Partnership NHS Trust
Dorset Health Care University Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust
Livewell South West
Sirona Care and Health
Wiltshire Health and Care

Ambulance Trusts in the South West

South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

PrettyDamnCosmic · 26/06/2025 16:03

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 17:43

I suppose if FWS tracked down every loon who accused them of being transphobes in the pocket of far right extremists they wouldn’t have time to make a cup of tea let alone campaign for women’s rights, but still, this seems pretty libellous to me…

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I agree. IANAL but it looks pretty libellous to me. Perhaps the JKR fund for female court cases would be interested in supporting a libel case?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 26/06/2025 15:25

YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 21:14

Sorry wasn't at all clear that I'd got the Supreme Court quote because the Trust had run the Trans/NB event with Gender Aware - so I took a look at the Gender Aware website.

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I’d assumed something like that, but thank you for the clarification. It’s pretty dire. Again, I do wonder if it counts as libel.

Mipe · 26/06/2025 14:55

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 16:16

Fabulous thank you. In that case I award you Sussex Community NHS Foundation Trust. Thank you

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Hi @FarriersGirl, I have submitted Sussex Community NHS Foundation Trust so I'm ready for another one (if I am missing anything out please let me know) 😀

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KnottyAuty · 26/06/2025 08:17

Thank you!

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 26/06/2025 08:13

FarriersGirl · 26/06/2025 07:57

Morning lovely vipers. So we are going to do the South West next. I will get the trust list sorted later this morning.

Big thank yous to @FarriersGirl - superb list wrangling!

Cantunseeit · 26/06/2025 08:07

Brilliant! Thank you. I have a few busy days coming up but can get on with it from Sunday and will have plenty of time to do lots, if needed. Please allocate me some when the list is ready- I wouldn’t want all the good ones to go while I’m out and about 🤣

FarriersGirl · 26/06/2025 07:57

Morning lovely vipers. So we are going to do the South West next. I will get the trust list sorted later this morning.

YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 21:14

YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 16:27

I've submitted Oxford University Hospitals. They are a Stonewall Diversity Champion - but unable to find any trans policies despite references to them in other documents.
From their Same-Sex Accommodation Policy (FOI)
'However, in some cases, other patients may notice that the person is transgender. If another patient within a bay objects to sharing with a transgender person, a quiet word about equality and discrimination legislation may resolve the issue. If it does not, the person with the objection should be moved to another area. It is important that the transgender person is not made to feel uncomfortable, which could happen if they share a sleeping area with a patient who has expressed an objection.'

Run by Oxford Health not Oxford University Hospitals but mentions them.
During February 2022 Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust ran a series of events to support LGBT History month.
It works alongside other NHS organisations within the area, such as the Oxford University Hospitals NHS Trust and these events were open to all within local NHS service providers.
One of the events was called 'Lets Talk About Trans and Non-Binary Inclusion'. In this a panel of three, comprising a trans male, trans female and NB, were to answer questions asked by the audience about being Trans and NB.

From Gender Aware re Supreme Court
'This case was brought by a small group of transphobic women who were backed by the far-right and religious extremist campaign, started a decade ago, intent on eradicating transgender people from society, who provided the £250,000 and legal resources required.'

Sorry wasn't at all clear that I'd got the Supreme Court quote because the Trust had run the Trans/NB event with Gender Aware - so I took a look at the Gender Aware website.

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KnottyAuty · 25/06/2025 21:14

YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 21:11

Massive thank you to knottyauty, twoloons and farriersgirl for organising all this. And for being so, so lovely. I've been chipping away at my place of work for about four years and have much more recently found some work allies - which is both good and hard going (some big personalities, flouncing, scolding). The Trust audits are a bit boring and depressing, but it's great to be doing something practical. I'm not good at communicating my views without sounding completely demented, so I'm appreciating having the opportunity to help without having to speak (or think)!

Aww thanks for all your help. Thats really why I started this because I just can’t be sitting at home worrying. Being able to do something practical and concrete helps me keep calm (and sane)! Thanks so much for everyone who’s been helping - you’re all a wonderful bunch! 🥰

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KnottyAuty · 25/06/2025 21:12

So many words. So few facts.
Does no one care about truth any more?

That article is absolutely la-la. I’ve only fact checked the first 2 paragraphs and I’ve run out of steam. There are so many errors!

”towards the end of April” - err the 16th of April is the middle of the month by my reckoning

“transphobic women” = feminists concerned with protecting women’s rights unlawfully eroded by trans activists

“backed by the far-right and religious extremist campaign…who provided the £250,000 and legal resources required” = £232k crowd funded including £70k from JKR and 5021 donations by individuals (averages at £32 per donation).

“started a decade ago” = FWS was founded in 2018 which was 6 years before the SC hearing in Nov 2024.

“The case set out to get a simplistic, reductive and ideological definition of sex applied to the Equality Act” = the case was brought because the Scottish Government had unlawfully stated that its 2018 law on positive discrimination for women on public boards could include biological males.

…and so it goes on… oh dear. Do people really believe this?

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YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 21:11

Massive thank you to knottyauty, twoloons and farriersgirl for organising all this. And for being so, so lovely. I've been chipping away at my place of work for about four years and have much more recently found some work allies - which is both good and hard going (some big personalities, flouncing, scolding). The Trust audits are a bit boring and depressing, but it's great to be doing something practical. I'm not good at communicating my views without sounding completely demented, so I'm appreciating having the opportunity to help without having to speak (or think)!

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KnottyAuty · 25/06/2025 20:35

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 20:19

What a team we are ❤wonderful vipers!! We have 2 regions left [NW and SW] plus Wales which should be easier if they respond to the FOI's recently requested. I will be in touch!

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Amazing work! If you need a new form for the SW I can set one up later this evening?

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FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 20:19

Cantunseeit · 25/06/2025 18:24

@FarriersGirl I've submitted those last three - ready for the next region 😀

What a team we are ❤wonderful vipers!! We have 2 regions left [NW and SW] plus Wales which should be easier if they respond to the FOI's recently requested. I will be in touch!

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 20:16

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 16:57

Apologies for my brain melting moment re the SE!

But also: I am just…I don’t know. Not surprised any more? I almost need to see something shocking so I get angry about all this again.

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Well it doesn't get any better does it. Those of us on this thread have literally read it all and we are still shocked and appalled 😱

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 20:12

teawamutu · 25/06/2025 17:13

Oh I am so ashamed of myself. Life just got away from me. Sorry and yes absolutely to the next region.

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Please don't apologise we all have busy lives and things run away with us sometimes. ❤

Cantunseeit · 25/06/2025 18:24

@FarriersGirl I've submitted those last three - ready for the next region 😀

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 17:43

Blackmetallic · 25/06/2025 17:36

I was so shocked by this that I searched for Gender Aware and it is indeed publicly available, it's a blog post:
Gender Aware

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I suppose if FWS tracked down every loon who accused them of being transphobes in the pocket of far right extremists they wouldn’t have time to make a cup of tea let alone campaign for women’s rights, but still, this seems pretty libellous to me…

Blackmetallic · 25/06/2025 17:36

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 16:54

@YellowRoom:

From Gender Aware re Supreme Court
'This case was brought by a small group of transphobic women who were backed by the far-right and religious extremist campaign, started a decade ago, intent on eradicating transgender people from society, who provided the £250,000 and legal resources required.'

What did I just read? Is that a publicly available statement?

I was so shocked by this that I searched for Gender Aware and it is indeed publicly available, it's a blog post:
Gender Aware

The Supreme Court ruling on sex in the Equality Act? Hazardous garbage that urgently needs clearing up by Parliament

Here's why this ruling is so wrong and why it urgently needs addressing.

https://www.genderaware.org/post/supreme-court-ruling-on-eq-hazardous-garbage

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 17:16

teawamutu · 25/06/2025 17:13

Oh I am so ashamed of myself. Life just got away from me. Sorry and yes absolutely to the next region.

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Please don’t worry! Life gets on top of us all at some point. There are lots of us here to carry the load. All good!

teawamutu · 25/06/2025 17:13

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 16:13

Thank you but we are just about done on the SE now, I reallocated yours when I didn't hear from you. Hopefully you will be able to help with the next region?

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Oh I am so ashamed of myself. Life just got away from me. Sorry and yes absolutely to the next region.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 16:57

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 16:19

I have literally just done the mental health trust for this area. You can't accuse them of stealth and they have effectively abolished single sex spaces.

"Trans staff, like all staff, are entitled to use single sex facilities, e.g. toilets and changing rooms, of their choice."

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Apologies for my brain melting moment re the SE!

But also: I am just…I don’t know. Not surprised any more? I almost need to see something shocking so I get angry about all this again.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 16:54

@YellowRoom:

From Gender Aware re Supreme Court
'This case was brought by a small group of transphobic women who were backed by the far-right and religious extremist campaign, started a decade ago, intent on eradicating transgender people from society, who provided the £250,000 and legal resources required.'

What did I just read? Is that a publicly available statement?

YellowRoom · 25/06/2025 16:27

I've submitted Oxford University Hospitals. They are a Stonewall Diversity Champion - but unable to find any trans policies despite references to them in other documents.
From their Same-Sex Accommodation Policy (FOI)
'However, in some cases, other patients may notice that the person is transgender. If another patient within a bay objects to sharing with a transgender person, a quiet word about equality and discrimination legislation may resolve the issue. If it does not, the person with the objection should be moved to another area. It is important that the transgender person is not made to feel uncomfortable, which could happen if they share a sleeping area with a patient who has expressed an objection.'

Run by Oxford Health not Oxford University Hospitals but mentions them.
During February 2022 Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust ran a series of events to support LGBT History month.
It works alongside other NHS organisations within the area, such as the Oxford University Hospitals NHS Trust and these events were open to all within local NHS service providers.
One of the events was called 'Lets Talk About Trans and Non-Binary Inclusion'. In this a panel of three, comprising a trans male, trans female and NB, were to answer questions asked by the audience about being Trans and NB.

From Gender Aware re Supreme Court
'This case was brought by a small group of transphobic women who were backed by the far-right and religious extremist campaign, started a decade ago, intent on eradicating transgender people from society, who provided the £250,000 and legal resources required.'

FarriersGirl · 25/06/2025 16:19

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/06/2025 15:24

Are we all feeling strong? Could we face tackling the South East (including Brighton and Hove)?

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I have literally just done the mental health trust for this area. You can't accuse them of stealth and they have effectively abolished single sex spaces.

"Trans staff, like all staff, are entitled to use single sex facilities, e.g. toilets and changing rooms, of their choice."