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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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FarriersGirl · 27/06/2025 11:35

All the links have been DM'd. The initial allocation is;

@Blackmetallic Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership Trust
@YellowRoom Royal Devon University NHS Trust
@teawamutu Dorset County Hospital NHS Trust
@Mipe Great Western Hospitals NHS Trust
@Cantunseeit North Bristol NHS Trust and Royal Cornwall NHS Trust
@Bluebootsgreenboots Cornwall Partnership NHS Trust
@Opinionpolecat Devon Partnership NHS Trust

Hopefully the links work but my MN has been very glitchy this morning😣Let me know if there are problems.
Thank you in advance for the work going into this - its a great piece of teamwork.

teawamutu · 27/06/2025 11:29

Got the new link, thank you. @FarriersGirl I'll take the Royal Devon if it's not spoken for yet?

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KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 11:10

DMs going out now with SW survey links. Shout if I have missed you!

@Opinionpolecat and @Bluebootsgreenboots hopefully you got yours OK?

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FarriersGirl · 27/06/2025 11:08

Medium is a large established American publishing platform that also hosts a lot of bloggers. The article about us appears to be on a blog. Difficult to know what sort of readership they get [300 followers]

Bannedontherun · 27/06/2025 11:05

There all far to ill to organise themselves other than to go on demos and paint offensive placards

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KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 10:34

teawamutu · 27/06/2025 09:16

Having read the piece, nice to see the writer admits we're effective.

But the idea that the TRA lobby could never match our incredible dark skills... Tell me you're a bunch of terminally online, entitled NEETs and sexist slobs who'd rather tear things down and scream at women than actually organise and DO something without etc etc etc.

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It did make me think that young people don't have great observation skills. Who the feck do they think organises everything? PTA, summer fetes, youth groups, guides/scouts... on top of family and jobs.... Work expands to fill the time available - Parkinson's Law. Difficult to get stuff done if you don't have much to do I suppose?

ETA - in contrast of course to the £9million annual turnover of Stonewall who encouraged unlawfulness and trampling of women's rights across the board. Odd sense of perspective in this article that they feel threatened by half a dozen mothers making factual observations, as opposed to an entire lobby industry removing female words and rights entirely. Who is being erased exactly?

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teawamutu · 27/06/2025 09:16

KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 08:49

Interesting POV.

Firstly that underlying assumption that mummies are useless despite all evidence to the contrary and the surprise which generated an article.

Secondly the complete lack of understanding that these policies are unlawful, sex discriminatory and that’s why they will be removed in due course. If they don’t accept that women have legal protection then they can’t afford themselves of protection either. The Equality Act protects everyone equally

Lastly that mumsnet is just a meeting space for like minded people. If we aren’t allowed to meet and discuss our issues are they prepared to forego their LGBTQ networks and groups? (To be clear I don’t think they should)

Anyone know what sort of circulation this might get?

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Having read the piece, nice to see the writer admits we're effective.

But the idea that the TRA lobby could never match our incredible dark skills... Tell me you're a bunch of terminally online, entitled NEETs and sexist slobs who'd rather tear things down and scream at women than actually organise and DO something without etc etc etc.

teawamutu · 27/06/2025 08:51

@FarriersGirl I'll take any one you care to allot me - just one for starters, but once I'm done (ASAP) I'm totally happy to pick up others.

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KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 08:49

Nameychangington · 27/06/2025 07:24

Beyond the far greater funding and outsized influence that anti-transgender activists and organizations enjoy, this is where the rubber meets the road.

My irony meter!

Yet the stakes are different for us. It is our flesh, blood, and mind that are affected by this nightmare. Right now, we are just trying to survive in an increasingly desperate situation. For them, this work gives an opportunity for people to feel part of something and to feel a little bit like a hero, far beyond their normal lives. They do this with zero stakes. We do not have the time and nor do we have the distance to do this so dispassionately.

#Fuckingclueless

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Interesting POV.

Firstly that underlying assumption that mummies are useless despite all evidence to the contrary and the surprise which generated an article.

Secondly the complete lack of understanding that these policies are unlawful, sex discriminatory and that’s why they will be removed in due course. If they don’t accept that women have legal protection then they can’t afford themselves of protection either. The Equality Act protects everyone equally

Lastly that mumsnet is just a meeting space for like minded people. If we aren’t allowed to meet and discuss our issues are they prepared to forego their LGBTQ networks and groups? (To be clear I don’t think they should)

Anyone know what sort of circulation this might get?

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Bannedontherun · 27/06/2025 08:31

@debizzled by Billie no mates at a guess.

FarriersGirl · 27/06/2025 07:41

Opinionpolecat · 26/06/2025 21:43

I’ve got some time at the weekend and I’d love to help, can I have one please?

Hi I think you are new to this, if so welcome. We will get a link sent over the DM and this contains the instructions. I will then get a trust allocated for you to do.

FarriersGirl · 27/06/2025 07:26

Blackmetallic · 26/06/2025 21:44

Thank you for the new list @FarriersGirl Please could I take Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership

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Its all yours - I will DM the new link in a bit.

Cantunseeit · 27/06/2025 07:26

Hollow laugh!

Nameychangington · 27/06/2025 07:24

debizzled · 27/06/2025 04:55

https://billieburton.medium.com/this-is-why-terfs-win-8d2d0f06b089

Beyond the far greater funding and outsized influence that anti-transgender activists and organizations enjoy, this is where the rubber meets the road.

My irony meter!

Yet the stakes are different for us. It is our flesh, blood, and mind that are affected by this nightmare. Right now, we are just trying to survive in an increasingly desperate situation. For them, this work gives an opportunity for people to feel part of something and to feel a little bit like a hero, far beyond their normal lives. They do this with zero stakes. We do not have the time and nor do we have the distance to do this so dispassionately.

#Fuckingclueless

Blackmetallic · 26/06/2025 21:44

FarriersGirl · 26/06/2025 16:40

So for our next region we have the South West and the trust list is below. I will start allocating from tomorrow so if anyone has any special requests let me know.

Acute Trusts in the South West region

Dorset County Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
North Bristol NHS Trust
Royal Cornwall Hospitals NHS Trust
Royal Devon University Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
Royal United Hospitals Bath NHS Foundation Trust
Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
Somerset NHS Foundation Trust
Torbay and South Devon Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Bristol and Weston NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Dorset NHS Foundation Trust
University Hospitals Plymouth NHS Trust

Community and Mental Health Trusts and Providers

Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership NHS Trust
Cornwall Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
Devon Partnership NHS Trust
Dorset Health Care University Foundation Trust
Gloucestershire Health and Care NHS Foundation Trust
Livewell South West
Sirona Care and Health
Wiltshire Health and Care

Ambulance Trusts in the South West

South Western Ambulance Service NHS Foundation Trust

Thank you for the new list @FarriersGirl Please could I take Avon and Wiltshire Mental Health Partnership

Opinionpolecat · 26/06/2025 21:43

I’ve got some time at the weekend and I’d love to help, can I have one please?

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KnottyAuty · 26/06/2025 20:54

SeaStoat · 26/06/2025 20:52

I have had an answer from an English trust providing "Support for transgender
and non-binary people during the perinatal period - Information for service users", which is based on Brighton's policy. It fails to tell women that if they have had double mastectomies, they may have extreme pain from milk ducts producing milk with no outlet. It suggests they may be able to feed their babies if they retained their nipples and fails to spell out that there is no chance if the nipples were grafted. Serious ommissions.

The Welsh & Northern Irish FOI response rate has been poor. Some requessts were started several weeks late as messages were not received. This has never happened in the c400 other WDTK requests I have made to date.

Go figure....

The final five responses should come in next week.....

What a ghastly sounding policy!

thanks for the FOIs!

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SeaStoat · 26/06/2025 20:52

I have had an answer from an English trust providing "Support for transgender
and non-binary people during the perinatal period - Information for service users", which is based on Brighton's policy. It fails to tell women that if they have had double mastectomies, they may have extreme pain from milk ducts producing milk with no outlet. It suggests they may be able to feed their babies if they retained their nipples and fails to spell out that there is no chance if the nipples were grafted. Serious ommissions.

The Welsh & Northern Irish FOI response rate has been poor. Some requessts were started several weeks late as messages were not received. This has never happened in the c400 other WDTK requests I have made to date.

Go figure....

The final five responses should come in next week.....

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KnottyAuty · 26/06/2025 19:27

I’ll pop the SW form link into arms tomorrow morning. Thanks!

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Cantunseeit · 26/06/2025 19:18

Likewise

YellowRoom · 26/06/2025 18:45

I can start up again on Sunday - happy to do any Trust

Mipe · 26/06/2025 18:43

@FarriersGirl yes I’m happy to keep going until it’s done! 😀

@KnottyAuty where can I find the form for the SW please?

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KnottyAuty · 26/06/2025 17:23

Thanks so much to everyone motoring through these! Amazing work 😍😎🙏🏻

Just a note of caution - at the moment the links you have are for the South East. Please do make sure to get a new link for the SW when you switch over.

Its easy to lose track because the links do t use English in the URL but the landing page should be clearly marked.

its not sure if you do use the wrong region’s link but it does mean we have to manually re-enter at the back which is a bit fiddly. So best avoided if possible.

thank you!!

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FarriersGirl · 26/06/2025 17:13

Mipe · 26/06/2025 14:55

Hi @FarriersGirl, I have submitted Sussex Community NHS Foundation Trust so I'm ready for another one (if I am missing anything out please let me know) 😀

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Nothing left to allocate from the SE. Hopefully you will be up for helping with the SW?