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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 25/07/2025 17:56

FarriersGirl · 25/07/2025 17:37

That is great thank you that is another region NW 100% completed @TwoLoonsAndASprout . Wales is fully allocated but I will send you a Northern Ireland trust when I get that posted up tomorrow.

Woot woot! Thank you vipers!

FarriersGirl · 25/07/2025 17:39

Quick update on Wales

NHS Wales

Aneurin Bevan University Health Board - Mipe
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board - Mipe
Cardiff and Vale University Health Board - FarriersGirl
Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board - Yellowroom
Hywel Dda University Health Board - cantunseeit
Powys Teaching Health Board - NCembarrassed
Swansea Bay University Health Board - Mipe
Velindre University NHS Trust - Mipe
Welsh Ambulances Services NHS Trust - Withsilverbells

FarriersGirl · 25/07/2025 17:37

teawamutu · 25/07/2025 16:06

@FarriersGirl Walton (NE) is done - happy to head to Wales if any left?

That is great thank you that is another region NW 100% completed @TwoLoonsAndASprout . Wales is fully allocated but I will send you a Northern Ireland trust when I get that posted up tomorrow.

teawamutu · 25/07/2025 16:06

@FarriersGirl Walton (NE) is done - happy to head to Wales if any left?

Cantunseeit · 25/07/2025 11:48

Submitted Hywel Dda University Health Board, usual story wrt staff policy, Stonewall Silver Champion at one stage but disillusioned with Stonewall and did not consider it offered value for money by 2024.

No policies on single sex accommodation or transgender patients but shared a pretty garbled statement as part of its FOI response:

"‘In general terms, there is national work taking place around single sex accommodation in NHS Wales led by the Chief Nursing Officer for Wales. Within Hywel Dda University Health Board, patients are, where possible, assigned to same sex ward areas. However, there are exceptions whereby this may not be possible. These include clinical areas such as assessment units, coronary care units and other areas where a higher level of care is required.

With regard to transgender patients, staff should remember that, under the Equalities Act 2010 and the Public Sector Equality Duty, it is a legal requirement to ensure that trans people are not discriminated against.

It should be noted that, previously, transgender and non-binary people were accommodated in line with their stated gender identity. In all cases, staff communicated to all patients and/or their carers when such a situation arose, ensuring sensitivity to all views and acting accordingly to protect the privacy and dignity of all patients.

Following the recent Supreme Court ruling on the definition of sex within the Equality Act 2010 being biological sex only, the Equality and Human Rights Commission have been consulting on their Code of Practice for services, public functions and associations. Within the proposed guidance, when considering whether providing a single-sex service is proportionate, there needs to be a fair balance between:

• The benefits of offering the service as a separate or single-sex service, and
• The needs of those who are access it, and
• The impact on those who are excluded from accessing it.

The service provider should consider whether the disadvantage to trans people, and any other people who may be disadvantaged, outweighs the benefits of providing a single-sex service. They should also consider whether there is a less intrusive option than excluding trans people which would be proportionate. Therefore, any decision should be based on:

• An objective and evidence-based assessment of the circumstances and relevant information
• Respecting the rights and needs of transgender people and the detriment to them if they are denied access and balancing that against the needs of other service users and any detriment to them if the transgender person is admitted."

KnottyAuty · 24/07/2025 23:01

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:56

@KnottyAuty I will post an update for Wales tomorrow but we [mainly @Mipe ] are chomping through them quite quickly. Are we doing to do Northern Ireland? Not actually part of the NHS but part of the UK.

Oh wowsers! Well done everyone you are whipping through them...
Maybe we can get the UK done before mid august after all?!

Yes please to Northern Ireland I think Ermine has sorted the FOIs...

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Mipe · 24/07/2025 22:07

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:41

Blimey Mipe you are storming through them!! I can't keep up. Next up
Swansea Bay University Health Board
Velindre University NHS Trust

Haha I’m enjoying this Viper stuff 😁

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:56

@KnottyAuty I will post an update for Wales tomorrow but we [mainly @Mipe ] are chomping through them quite quickly. Are we doing to do Northern Ireland? Not actually part of the NHS but part of the UK.

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:52

WithSilverBells · 24/07/2025 21:48

I've not done an ambulance trust before. Is it pretty much the same investigative procedure as for the hospital/mental health trusts?

Same process the main difference is there won't be anything about patient accommodation as such so its mainly staff policies and links to Stonewall etc.

WithSilverBells · 24/07/2025 21:48

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:43

Fab if you can do the Welsh Ambulance Trust that is everything allocated for Wales. Link to come over the DM

I've not done an ambulance trust before. Is it pretty much the same investigative procedure as for the hospital/mental health trusts?

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:43

WithSilverBells · 24/07/2025 21:25

I can take another Trust to do over the weekend

Fab if you can do the Welsh Ambulance Trust that is everything allocated for Wales. Link to come over the DM

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 21:41

Mipe · 24/07/2025 16:19

@FarriersGirl I have submitted Aneurin Bevan University Health Board and Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (both Stonewall members) so I am ready for a few more 😀

Blimey Mipe you are storming through them!! I can't keep up. Next up
Swansea Bay University Health Board
Velindre University NHS Trust

WithSilverBells · 24/07/2025 21:25

I can take another Trust to do over the weekend

YellowRoom · 24/07/2025 21:15

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/07/2025 20:14

@YellowRoom, but of course everyone else just loves it when they are observed unclothed without permission.

All those genital inspections they're subjected to?

KnottyAuty · 24/07/2025 21:09

YellowRoom · 24/07/2025 20:07

I've submitted Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board.

Refusing to use a name, pronouns or gender... is a form of harassment
and discrimination.

Many trans people wish to maintain control over who sees them unclothed. Therefore, when people are observed without first asking their permission, it can feel like an invasion of privacy and creates a barrier to respectful health care.

We are committed to serving and respecting all of our members and maternity service users, most of whom are women

From staff policy EQuIA

Do you think that the policy impacts on men and woman in different ways? Significantly more men than women transition and significantly more male to female trans* people experience abuse than female to male. There may be a greater need for support accordingly as the whole experience could be more challenging.

Wow!!

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/07/2025 20:14

@YellowRoom, but of course everyone else just loves it when they are observed unclothed without permission.

YellowRoom · 24/07/2025 20:07

I've submitted Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board.

Refusing to use a name, pronouns or gender... is a form of harassment
and discrimination.

Many trans people wish to maintain control over who sees them unclothed. Therefore, when people are observed without first asking their permission, it can feel like an invasion of privacy and creates a barrier to respectful health care.

We are committed to serving and respecting all of our members and maternity service users, most of whom are women

From staff policy EQuIA

Do you think that the policy impacts on men and woman in different ways? Significantly more men than women transition and significantly more male to female trans* people experience abuse than female to male. There may be a greater need for support accordingly as the whole experience could be more challenging.

Mipe · 24/07/2025 16:19

@FarriersGirl I have submitted Aneurin Bevan University Health Board and Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (both Stonewall members) so I am ready for a few more 😀

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 06:58

Cantunseeit · 23/07/2025 17:48

I’m up for a Welsh trust as well, when you’re ready @FarriersGirl, thank you

Great thanks Hywel Dda University Health Board. New link to follow

FarriersGirl · 24/07/2025 06:54

KnottyAuty · 23/07/2025 22:14

I’ll DM you a link shortly! Thanks!

@NCembarassed If you'd like to have a go at Powys Teaching Health Board. The link will give you a form to complete and this also gives some instructions and tips on search terms etc.

KnottyAuty · 23/07/2025 22:14

NCembarassed · 23/07/2025 17:36

I can take a Welsh one, if you tell me what to do.

I’ll DM you a link shortly! Thanks!

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Cantunseeit · 23/07/2025 17:48

I’m up for a Welsh trust as well, when you’re ready @FarriersGirl, thank you

NCembarassed · 23/07/2025 17:36

I can take a Welsh one, if you tell me what to do.

Peregrina · 23/07/2025 16:31

Remember that w is a vowel in Welsh - so coom, as in book.

FarriersGirl · 23/07/2025 14:30

YellowRoom · 23/07/2025 14:15

I can take a welsh trust

Thank you! Thankfully you don't need to be able to pronounce it to audit it - Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board. Link to follow