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NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

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KnottyAuty · 12/06/2025 20:57

NHS Policy Audit - working party -Thread #3

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1
Thread #2:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth.

We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness.

As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course...

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!?

Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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Nameychangington · 21/10/2026 12:53

mrshoho · 15/10/2026 23:08

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cry83dyddv6no?at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_medium=social&at_link_id=BD5620C6-C8B2-11F1-A83D-C1026C46A019&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_format=image&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_campaign_type=owned&fbclid=IwdGRzaAU-LTpjbGNrBT4r5mV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHBkb2YFc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEebj4yWe4xGCb5nvxgWO5Yo59cfu_n1bd1omXF4cp_iZK37K2enUxfH_2SnT0_aem_TFAE3IMesYyZ3X1khPjHxQ

NHSE data shows that the number of breaches of the previous mixed-sex accommodation guidance has been growing every year since 2021- where members of the opposite sex were placed on a single-sex ward.

The most recent figure for August 2026 shows there were 5,520 breaches, compared to 3,853 in June 2025.

Putting a trans IDing patient in the opposite sex ward was not counted as a breach. Because wards were separated by gender not sex, so no breach in same gender accomodation happened in those circumstances. So the actual numbers of breaches of same sex accomodation will never be known.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 16/10/2026 11:15

I don't mind at all. Thank you for spreading the info.

AngleofRepose · 16/10/2026 08:28

More good news, as reported on the tribunal thread, hope @BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn doesn't mind me copying here!

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · Yesterday 23:33
I've now read the new guidance in full, and the dancing shoes are on.

Annex B is history.

No mention of gender variant children. No accommodate according to preference, presentation, and pronouns. No prioritising the trans patient at the expense of others.
Accommodation is by biological sex. For trans identifying patients that remains the default, but single-occupancy rooms can be used as an alternative if needed for the privacy, safety, or dignity of all the patients.

And there's a change to reporting requirements. There used to be a requirement to report breaches; now all departments have to regularly report both breaches and absence of breaches.

moto748e · 15/10/2026 23:11

One small step forward...

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/10/2026 15:42

Actual guidance is due to drop at 4pm.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/10/2026 15:37

Archive of Telegraph article:

https://archive.ph/Jw3Y1

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 15/10/2026 15:04

Thank you @Harassedevictee!

The next step will be to see how the individual trusts respond - I fear there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Fear not though - we (and others!) fully intend to hold them all to account

Peregrina · 19/07/2026 14:03

So how on earth are people who worked with a middle aged bloke called John for ten years, supposed to convince themself that now he calls himself Jane, he should be called she? When they know and he knows that he is still the same bloke as before.

KnottyAuty · 19/07/2026 13:48

moto748e · 19/07/2026 11:15

South East Coast Ambulance Service appears to be the only one of England’s 10 NHS ambulance trusts to publish transgender staff guidance on its website.
The remaining trusts told The Telegraph that any relevant guidance or policies would only be released in response to Freedom of Information requests.

So probably all of them, then.

Most of the ambulance trusts didn't have staff policy at all - just the practice of self ID which could only be implied from their membership of a Stonewall or other DEI scheme... somewhat sinister IMO! A public body breaks the law knowingly by stealth...

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moto748e · 19/07/2026 11:15

South East Coast Ambulance Service appears to be the only one of England’s 10 NHS ambulance trusts to publish transgender staff guidance on its website.
The remaining trusts told The Telegraph that any relevant guidance or policies would only be released in response to Freedom of Information requests.

So probably all of them, then.

KnottyAuty · 19/07/2026 09:54

Here also a link to Janet Murray’s piece on ambulance trusts:
archive.is/EOHn3

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 21:47

Maybe someone will leak them.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 18/07/2026 21:24

Thank you for that @SeaStoat!

Archive link here for when the gift token expires:

https://archive.ph/vIObJ

SeaStoat · 18/07/2026 21:09

Nice reference here to previous article and West London NHS Trust & South East Coast Ambulance Service. Gift article.

"Ministers have refused to publish transgender guidance for civil servants, raising concerns about whether the rules respect women’s rights.

The rules about how transgender civil servants should be treated at work were sent to government departments in May.

But the Cabinet Office refused to share the draft policy with The Telegraph because “ministers and officials may not feel comfortable sharing their views”.

This decision not to publish the guidance has raised concerns that it may not respect women’s rights, with Claire Coutinho, the shadow minister for women and equalities, accusing Labour of “running scared of scrutiny”."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0f267e165875ce08

Trans guidance for civil servants must stay secret, ministers say

Cabinet Office ‘should have nothing to fear’ if policy is lawful, says gender-critical campaigner

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/0f267e165875ce08

KnottyAuty · 06/07/2026 09:42

Some updates from the Inciteful Sisters podcast - here is a summary snippet about how the DEI schemes messed up the NHS policies so quickly: https://nitter.net/IncitefulPod/status/2072749449449766912#m

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Cantunseeit · 01/07/2026 13:48

I’ve been trying to sell this story into media with no joy so far even with puberty blocker trial restarting and conversion therapy ban. Even tho Great Ormond Street has this policy and is both a household name and a gender hub under the new Cass holistic system 😔

Peregrina · 01/07/2026 11:06

I think the one thing which shocked me most was that even if children were not Gillick competent, their wishes as regards to gender had to be respected. This is the greatest stupidity ever. Who will pick up the pieces when it all goes wrong? Chances are it would have to be the parents.

moto748e · 30/06/2026 22:48

I think it's amazing, and you wims have done wonderful work. It strikes me, not for the first time, that isn't this exactly the kind of "citizens holding power to account", Tony Benn-style, that the Labour Party was supposed to support? Maybe especially touchy-feely types like Burnham? Funny they don't seem to see it that way (I know a handful do).

Cantunseeit · 30/06/2026 20:22

Peregrina · 30/06/2026 19:41

Fantastic piece of work. What next though?
We can't expect the political parties or the trade unions to champion the work.

Correcting a typo.

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We keep on keeping on. The map was a big boost for awareness- over 3,000 people clicked on it the first month it was up and hundreds sent letters to MPs / Trusts. Hopefully having an overview that evidences the extent of the capture in the NHS available on a shareable link will help get the word out further.

We’re getting some good feedback that the audit is getting traction. I was in contact with a journalist this week who had been sent audit information from three different groups (including us). So that’s encouraging

If anyone has any fresh angles or ideas please share. There’s so much to this and fresh eyes may spot things we’ve missed

Peregrina · 30/06/2026 19:41

Fantastic piece of work. What next though?
We can't expect the political parties or the trade unions to champion the work.

Correcting a typo.

FarriersGirl · 30/06/2026 15:15

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 30/06/2026 15:05

Brilliant!! Special shout-out to @Cantunseeit, who did a gargantuan amount of the work needed to put the report together from all of the auditors’ findings.

Totally agree with this - the work @Cantunseeit did for the report was amazing. So pleased to see it in the public domain. ❤