Trans sibling in law

I don’t either practising 😀😀

And similarly, I really don't want to be seen as a dick!

It is being human that defines us most profoundly, and we all know what "the human condition" means to us. I'll leave it to women to express how having a female body tends, very strongly, to affect women's lives. Categories, including animal, vertebrate, mammal, human and whichever sex we are, necessarily constrain and enable what we can and cannot do. I had thought that societal expectations no longer ruled our behaviour based on "gender", but then along came a reversion or regression to the idea that a woman has to be feminine, and that a man has to be masculine, and the converse that a masculine woman is really a man and should make herself as like a man as she can, and a feminine man is really a woman and should make himself as like a woman as he can. But these attempts are futile, and no-one who knows these trans people is actually fooled.

I don't have any degrees. So I guess I'm not qualified to post any more. Oh well.

I don’t know why you’re all so fixated on the degree matter. I mentioned it literally because it at least evidenced that I had actually looked into what I was saying, and wasn’t just blindly posting. Like I said, different books.

Some of them likely the same, actually. I have been bored to death by Greer, I have read my Friedan, looked at the Beauty Myth, struggled to work out why Butler had to write in unnecessary convoluted ways. I’ve read it all, and formed this view.

I said it, because so many of you resort to “read a book.” I’ve read some of them, thank you. Enough of them.

In my exact personal life, the sexism is so covert I’m not seeing it. My world is not ran by men, and I am not beholden to them. By no means do I think that’s the case everywhere for everyone.

I am critical of the way gender ideologies oppress women, and I do believe that they’re naturally prejudiced to do so. But to say you don’t have a gender ID is IMO to say you’re not affected by that, at all, and you are. You cannot not be.

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

Only two RG and only one of those from Oxbridge. I feel chastened.

I’ve got four degrees and they’re all from Oxbridge. Na na na na to everyone else 😆

Why didn’t you say that right from the start? Because if we’d known that we would have instantly capitulated to ‘the poster with 3 degrees, one from RG’ and hushed our mouths. 🤐

‘What use talking about already won battles has on the here and now is always beyond me.’

I think there’s more than that that’s beyond you. If it wasn’t for those ‘already won battles’ you wouldn’t be on here, or anywhere else, having the freedom to talk about anything, because you’d be bare foot and pregnant for the umpteenth time and stuck in the bloody kitchen. If you are uninterested in how we got here, you will never fully appreciate the rights you now so blithely take for granted.

’Ifyou don’t know history, it’s as if you were born yesterday. If you were born yesterday then any leader can tell you anything.”
Howard Zinn, American historian (1924-2010

Substitute ‘leader’ for man.

‘If we are victims (which we’re not always), it’s not your uterus doing it, it’s society and the expectations within it.’

You’re so nearly there, but you just can’t grasp it can you? Who created ‘society’, who is (still) largely in charge of it? I’ll give you a clue, it isn’t women. Why did they think they could have so much control within that society? Because of the biological differences between men and women. If we didn’t choose to comply they used physical force to make us.

In some ways I suppose feminism has done its job if you feel that your place in the world is free of the restrictions placed on us ordinary women, that you are so superior to the rest of your sex, what with your gender studies degree and all, that the trifling, everyday sexism and unfairness that we ordinary women deal with is unknown to you, because obviously you are simply better at womaning than the rest of us. There’s another group of individuals that also hold the view that they are better women than we are, can you guess who it is?

You need to debate the things posters have actually written, not some other thing you claim they’ve said when they haven’t.

Exam technique basics.

Read the question properly and then question you've been asked not the one you've assume you've been asked.

I'm an adult male human, and I can assure you that I don't think that means that I am reduced to the sum of my body parts. That's just the factual definition of a man. I am adult (even if I don't always behave like it); I am human (even if I don't always behave like it); and I am male (even if I sometimes behave as if, according to stereotypes of masculinity/femininity, I haven't a clue how I'm supposed to behave).

So what is the problem with a factual definition of woman and man? And how does our behaviour affect which we are?

Says the person who tried to out authority everyone else by saying they had a degree in gender studies.

Ladybrains, Heggettypeg, the world needs to be reorganised around ladybrains and gentlemanbrains. Or possibly around those who wear dress and makeup, and so are at risk in a male toilet, and those who don't, and should use the men's. (That would be me, then.)

Or for the purposes of identifying unlawful discrimination.

@SleeplessInWherever you keep accusing posters of being condescending and talking down to you, but there are several points when you have conflated two separate things (ie. gender and gender identity), or claimed other posters have said things they quite literally haven’t.

You said a poster below me had said they were not affected by gender, and two posters replied pointing out that they had clearly said they didn’t have a gender identity, not that they weren’t affected by gender.

I posted that your position as you’d articulated it was actually very gender critical, and in your reply to me you fulminated that this was an example of you being “excluded by the GC community” — which was in fact the very opposite of what I’d said (and what’s this “GC community”, as if we all hang out at the same social club?)

Quire a few times people have articulated their position quite clearly and precisely, and you’ve then accused them of saying things that appeared nowhere in their posts.

This is a real problem when trying to debate on an internet forum. It’s frustrating to articulate a point clearly and precisely, and then to be told disagreement is attack, what you really mean is xyz (which you have said nothing like anywhere), or that something very precise is “reducing women to biology” when it’s quite obviously not. That’s why so many posters here are getting irate. You need to debate the things posters have actually written, not some other thing you claim they’ve said when they haven’t.

On a final note: I’m not sure why you think biology doesn’t matter. I’m 5ft 2in. If I do any kind of physical job I can’t physically do it as well as pretty much any man. I can’t carry the weight an average man can. I can’t reach the pedals if a man has been driving a car. I have to ask supermarket attendants to get things for me from the top shelves. After childbirth I have issues with continence and prolapse that no man has to face. And I’m very aware of my lack of physical stamina and strength compared to my male colleagues and my partner.

A question: why do you think sexual assault and rape is so asymmetric between men and women? Why can’t women just fight men off? Do you think women don’t try? Because men, even the weediest ones, are generally so much stronger than women that women can be physically overpowered by men relatively easily. Any woman who has ever been hit or sexually assaulted or restrained by a man knows how asymmetric that strength is. I’m very glad for you if you have escaped that experience. But the reason so many, many women haven’t, is not because they didn’t try, or they really wanted it, or it was their culture, or they didn’t fight back, or they “reduced themselves to their biology”, or they identified themselves wrongly.

It’s because men are stronger than women on a mass scale, and can physically force women to submit to assaults they can’t get away from. And when women feel unsafe on a dark road, or in a confined space with an unfamiliar man, or with an angry husband, it’s not because “GC feminists” have “reduced them to their biology”; it’s because they know that the man could hurt or even kill them, and they wouldn’t be physically able to stop him.

And if you think the battles are won, then you’re disregarding the biggest fear nearly all women face in relation to men, which (as evidenced by our current rate of rape convictions), has never gone away.

You failed it because you have a brain.

Still not clear on what basis "females who don't say that they are not women plus males who say that they are women" is considered to be a meaningful and coherent group; or why it is considered a more valid grouping than "females" for the purposes of toilet facilities, changing rooms, hospital wards and prisons.

Assumptions can only be based on your arguments.

I can’t relate your arguments to books or other references because I’m not aware that you have mentioned any.

It's a reasonable assumption to make when that person lacks basic knowledge of the subject they apparently have a degree in.

I didn’t say that I was.

I said that it’s rude to assume someone lacks basic intelligence because you don’t agree with them; and that other people may have read different books and formed different views off the back of that, but it doesn’t make them stupid.

I’m aware that doesn’t fit your “we’re superior” narrative, though.

I just realised I have degrees from two different Russell Group universities but I only found that out 30 seconds ago because it was the first time I thought to Google whether the university I got my master's degree from is in the Russell Group or not.

Hi.

Ooo so you are the only person on the thread with multiple degrees and went to a RG?

Imagine that...

(It's also not true)

And yet, intellectually, you can’t understand why rights might need to be continuously protected or why social and political change might impact or have unintended consequences for existing rights?

What do you think is discussed in Parliament when people propose legislation? Make amendments?

Are you so blind to how men regard women that you think these can never be taken away?
Or have you not been paying attention to the USA?
Do you not realise that coercive men will try to limit women's access to things that are legal?
Or perhaps you just don't care about women who are poorer than you?
Tell you what though: that makes us feminists because we fight for all women to have access to rights that we have, and for other rights we still don't have (like the right to safe healthcare, and to not be basically legally raped).

I did think people who did gender studies were a bit dim but now I've had it confirmed.