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Trans sibling in law

989 replies

Primrose86 · 12/06/2025 18:40

DH's sibling has just come out as a man. She is 26 and autistic, lives at home with mum, spends life on the Internet, got kicked out of school at 16 etc etc She has plans to go overseas and transition in germany where apparently you can get surgeries on the public health system while living with her grandpa. Her mum is fully supportive of this.

How should I react to all this. Should I start referring to him as my brother in law? What usually happens after people come out. I assume they progress to hormones and surgery but honestly based on what I read, Germany is quite resistant to health tourists who never paid in even if they are citizens. Are people really happy identifying as another gender when they wouldn't look like the other gender?

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RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 21:07

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:04

I am shit at spelling…even autocorrect goes ‘ what the fuck was that supposed to be!?!’

You are in good company. My spelling is atrocious and I always miss out complete words.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 21:06

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:02

Im getting an honorary one practising so you are absolutely forgiven

its taken me three goes to spell ‘honorary’ so maybe I shouldn’t get one 😶

You have a 1st in Mnetting Rufus. Congratulations.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:04

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 21:03

I needed autocarrot to get it right! And I'm usually good at spelling!

I am shit at spelling…even autocorrect goes ‘ what the fuck was that supposed to be!?!’

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:03

Sometimes i feel that some user names are ‘say what you see’

do you have a kitten dogcatkitten

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 21:03

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:02

Im getting an honorary one practising so you are absolutely forgiven

its taken me three goes to spell ‘honorary’ so maybe I shouldn’t get one 😶

I needed autocarrot to get it right! And I'm usually good at spelling!

CaptainFuture · 15/06/2025 21:02

dogcatkitten · 15/06/2025 21:00

Just be nice.

Is that a two way thing?..

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 21:02

Im getting an honorary one practising so you are absolutely forgiven

its taken me three goes to spell ‘honorary’ so maybe I shouldn’t get one 😶

dogcatkitten · 15/06/2025 21:00

Just be nice.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:59

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 20:56

Can’t believe you deserted me practising 😳

Sorry. Please forgive me. You can have an imaginary degree too. Or an honorary one. Both are valid.

Imaginary degrees are degrees.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 20:58

Ooooooooo yes please red

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 20:57

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 20:56

Can’t believe you deserted me practising 😳

Would you like an honorary degree from MN? I think I'm qualified to award you one. I have a MN mug and everything.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 20:56

Can’t believe you deserted me practising 😳

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:55

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 20:51

I think this has been standard Mumsnet parenting protocol since its inception over 20 years ago.

Although I think there were women arguing that feminism had gone too far back then too.

True. It was more or less 20 years ago that I was buying dolls for my DC (18 if we're being fussy.)
But I'm not sure what that has to do with their gender ID?

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:54

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 20:50

You identify as having a degree. That's legitimate. Did you go to a RG imaginary university? Did you wear blue or pink when you graduated?

Yes it was RG. Uhhh... I wore umm... blue. Pink doesn't suit me!

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 15/06/2025 20:53

SleeplessInWherever · 15/06/2025 20:45

This Greer? Hilarious, yeah.

"If you spread your legs because he said ‘be nice to me and I’ll give you a job in a movie’ then I’m afraid that’s tantamount to consent, and it’s too late now to start whingeing about that."

Yeah

you found it boring….

Merrymouse · 15/06/2025 20:51

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:26

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

Both my DC were given dolls and pink clothes. They can also cook. DC1 made dinner tonight. What's their gender ID please?

Edit to add about cooking

Edited

I think this has been standard Mumsnet parenting protocol since its inception over 20 years ago.

Although I think there were women arguing that feminism had gone too far back then too.

RedToothBrush · 15/06/2025 20:50

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:39

Are you sure it's a c-section scar? Maybe It's just identifying as a c-section scar
If your dad cooks he's probably actually your mum.

True facts. Based on my imaginary degree.

You identify as having a degree. That's legitimate. Did you go to a RG imaginary university? Did you wear blue or pink when you graduated?

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 15/06/2025 20:45

SleeplessInWherever · 15/06/2025 11:26

That’s exactly what it is, it was essentially 3 years of discussing how women are represented and affected by gender ideologies, specifically in media.

The reason I believe that I have a gender ID that is shaped by those ideologies is because I find “adult human female” really reductive. I think it implies that’s all woman is - a set of parts, and that’s got to be a bad thing.

I don’t think it’s insane to think that the way our society is set up affects who we are, and I believe we have to accept that to be able to challenge the flaws in it.

It’s not about whether I wasted time learning about feminism and/or gender, I was saying that everytime I post here and say I believe something, people respond with “you’re confused” or “there are intelligent women here” (ie, you’re not one) - like those who have a different belief must be stupid. And like I said, different opinions can still be informed ones.

So is "man" reductive because it means "adult human male" and it's just a human with a specific set of parts and nothing else?

It's more reductive to categorise people into a gender because of how they feel and behave, what interests they have, what they want to do in life, what they like to wear, who they love and so on.

When you do that, it's no wonder some people begin to believe they are the "wrong" gender and/or sex, because we've given them a checklist of things to be the gender that "matches" their sex and they can't tick anything off.

SleeplessInWherever · 15/06/2025 20:45

marshmallowpuff · 15/06/2025 20:15

We’re not “fixated” on the degree matter. We’re making light fun of it. Very different! 😆

And why were you bored by Germaine? She’s a brilliantly funny, acerbic writer. As far from Butler as could possibly be.

This Greer? Hilarious, yeah.

"If you spread your legs because he said ‘be nice to me and I’ll give you a job in a movie’ then I’m afraid that’s tantamount to consent, and it’s too late now to start whingeing about that."

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/06/2025 20:32

My dad can cook and my mum can't. (Literally, cannot. Could not, if her life depended on it.)

My mum's C-section scar says she's the one who gave birth to me though.

Are you sure it's a c-section scar? Maybe It's just identifying as a c-section scar
If your dad cooks he's probably actually your mum.

True facts. Based on my imaginary degree.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/06/2025 20:32

My dad can cook and my mum can't. (Literally, cannot. Could not, if her life depended on it.)

My mum's C-section scar says she's the one who gave birth to me though.

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 15/06/2025 20:26

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

Both my DC were given dolls and pink clothes. They can also cook. DC1 made dinner tonight. What's their gender ID please?

Edit to add about cooking

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/06/2025 20:23

SleeplessInWherever · 15/06/2025 20:06

I don’t know why you’re all so fixated on the degree matter. I mentioned it literally because it at least evidenced that I had actually looked into what I was saying, and wasn’t just blindly posting. Like I said, different books.

Some of them likely the same, actually. I have been bored to death by Greer, I have read my Friedan, looked at the Beauty Myth, struggled to work out why Butler had to write in unnecessary convoluted ways. I’ve read it all, and formed this view.

I said it, because so many of you resort to “read a book.” I’ve read some of them, thank you. Enough of them.

In my exact personal life, the sexism is so covert I’m not seeing it. My world is not ran by men, and I am not beholden to them. By no means do I think that’s the case everywhere for everyone.

I am critical of the way gender ideologies oppress women, and I do believe that they’re naturally prejudiced to do so. But to say you don’t have a gender ID is IMO to say you’re not affected by that, at all, and you are. You cannot not be.

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

You realise that this sort of bullshit is precisely what real feminists (such as Germaine Greer) have been fighting to liberate women FROM, right?

Or maybe you would realise that if you hadn't skipped the Germaine Greer parts of your "gender studies" degree.

drspouse · 15/06/2025 20:19

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

How can you know what's inside my head?

You've just described the effects of gender in society. Not at all the same as having a gender ID.

marshmallowpuff · 15/06/2025 20:15

SleeplessInWherever · 15/06/2025 20:06

I don’t know why you’re all so fixated on the degree matter. I mentioned it literally because it at least evidenced that I had actually looked into what I was saying, and wasn’t just blindly posting. Like I said, different books.

Some of them likely the same, actually. I have been bored to death by Greer, I have read my Friedan, looked at the Beauty Myth, struggled to work out why Butler had to write in unnecessary convoluted ways. I’ve read it all, and formed this view.

I said it, because so many of you resort to “read a book.” I’ve read some of them, thank you. Enough of them.

In my exact personal life, the sexism is so covert I’m not seeing it. My world is not ran by men, and I am not beholden to them. By no means do I think that’s the case everywhere for everyone.

I am critical of the way gender ideologies oppress women, and I do believe that they’re naturally prejudiced to do so. But to say you don’t have a gender ID is IMO to say you’re not affected by that, at all, and you are. You cannot not be.

As someone said to me, unless you were never given a doll or pink clothes, never taught to cook, you do have a gender ID because you haven’t escaped the outcomes of them.

We’re not “fixated” on the degree matter. We’re making light fun of it. Very different! 😆

And why were you bored by Germaine? She’s a brilliantly funny, acerbic writer. As far from Butler as could possibly be.