Women’s Rights Network Scotland has imploded

I don't think women's groups tend to infighting any more than others. Look at the far left.

Groups are held together by money or by iron discipline. Organisations that don't have either of these things tend to fragment.

Too many people saying exactly the same thing.

This seems to be a common problem with a lot of the WRN groups. They are not comfortable with the members talking to each other. I believe it's a control issue but it is something that has led me to leave my local group in Northern Ireland . Some great women doing fantastic work and the narcissistic people in charge use the platform to raise their own profile.

2 wrongs dont make a right.

Just flagging this post again.

And yet, you just drew everyone’s attention to it…

It might be this https://x.com/dyke4522/status/1939638097991340497?s=46&t=EGyAOjTdBx_UarjMXf57QA

Link?

Oh dear - someone has decided to go public and is organising a space on X to discuss WRNS. While I understand that some women feel extremely bruised by their experience, this seems a great pity.

Other than one thread on Twitter/X started by a TRA, I can't see anything online about this so-called implosion. Must be a very quiet one, if it's happened.

Thanks for the clarification

No. It means the unpaid volunteers running it have legal protection and their homes aren't at risk if activists go after them. It probably also helps in terms of logistics such as hiring venues

Women's groups have always fallen into internal feuding. Look at the various factions amongst the suffragettes, and suffragists. Look at any history of second wave or third wave feminism.

Women are human. This means they are going to scramble for status, undermine other people, argue etc.

Just do what always been done. Create a separate group if needed, or resolve it somehow. Just keep moving forward. Because even with a lot of horrible bitching women's rights have still kept advancing.

Don't pretend this discredits anything. Of course there are going to be daft feuds. The thing is however absurd our internal arguments are the TAs are going to be way way worse. They end up arguing over whether obvious horrific predators are "trans" or not.

Groups tend to have these kind of problems. The suggestion that women's groups tend to them more is interesting. I wonder if there's any truth to that? And if so, why that might be.

That isn't there now. Just says:

A grassroots movement of women working together on behalf of women and girls [email protected]

womensrights.network Joined February 2022

The infighting within these groups is tiresome and is why I bowed out a long time ago.

The WRN started as an offshoot of the Scottish Feminist Network. The woman who started the SFN was effectively kicked out by those running the show now. She then started the WRN with Heather Binning, amongst others. I would hazard a guess that the woman who was in the new chat and reported back to the WRN admins is probably the same woman who reported back to the SFN creator when it all kicked off a few years ago.

There was so much bitching and back stabbing at "the top". And a lot of rules to abide by. If your face didn't fit then you were out.

It doesn't surprise me to hear this about the WFN sadly and my previous experiences with some of the women involved in both networks is why I avoid these groups now. Too much drama that some seem to relish.

Yep, I agree. I'm out

I find this whole thread very distasteful.
WRN has been a huge force for good.
This washing of maybe just allegedly very slightly dingy laundry in public is very distasteful

Erm, what good work?
Nagging for screenshots, the thread is still there if you want to check.
It was me that had them, and had Sarah Jane Baker come for me on social media.
She did very little, and is now lying and throwing us all under the bus and I don't appreciate it.

That’s what we thought too. Until it wasn’t.

I agree, that's my experience, also

What was the internal stuff? At a loss here. You can DM .

I was in the chat too @TigerLily40 I can say there was not constant homophobic or anti trans stuff in it.

There are women who have autistic children who are concerned re indoctrination in schools. There are women who are lesbians and know what a woman is on a dating site or in real life.

@TigerLily40 You did some good work with the women's march. I'm sorry that your relationship with WRN has ended badly. Not every type of women's group works well for every woman. I genuinely hope that you find one that suits your talents.

Ok. And I’m putting you right. It was the breaches that were the problem, not just that there was another group.