Juno Dawson calls feminists 'maggots'

Another TRA, legal professor Alex Sharpe, once called GC feminist women “bubonic plague”. On so called Woman’s Hour! https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3434210-Womens-Hour-features-interviews-with-Professor-Alex-Sharpe-and-Professor-Rosa-Freedman-as-part-of-Sex-Gender-series-Thread-title-edited-at-OPs-request?page=2

Quite.

I think there is something in that, but I also think that we need to be very aware of the elephant in the room, which is that 'transitioning to be a woman' can have a sexual aspect to it. The journey can be the point. The fact that it's not a functional female body at the end is irrelevant, because the goal is a transitioned male body, which is an entirely different thing. (I don't know if I'm explaining this very well).

Hot on the heels of an absolute idiot calling women germs, now someone is calling women maggots. Woman hating is inherent in this movement and there's no excuse for anyone not seeing it.

Yes, I can't remember the article I read now, but Juno was very careful to claim his boyfriend was straight.

I sometimes forget, in understanding the number that's been done on lesbians, the same number has been done on gay boys

Probably not what Juno Dawson is aiming at, but “Maggots” is very much giving me Miss Trunchbull vibes.

Apropos of that, I’ve recently been to see the musical of Matilda with DC and I thought the actor playing Miss Trunchbull did an excellent job of playing the revolting headmistress, in a khaki dress, while simultaneously convincing nobody that he was actually in any way a woman.

Wasn't it the guy from pink news who went on about great articles in teen Vogue? All about anal sex?

I might be misremembering who (but it was definitely a guy).

(But even having said all this, and finding JD and JD's works misogynist, homophobic and inaccurate... I still feel bad for JD having genital surgery. Harmful, experimental procedure with very high rate of serious complications and horrible side effects. I know it's the individual's choice etc. but it's not SRS, it's not a "new vagina" (and if anyone did say that they should be sued IMO), it does not change your sex and it's just another dead end on a non-existent road to "being a woman". I think people like JD could have been happier as a healthy and self-accepting gay man if not for social pressures and stereotypes.)

What did Smithers collect in the Simpsons? Oh yes, Malibu Stacy dolls. And everyone back then knew what the joke was.

Those Bratz dolls remind me that Teen Vogue has a huge adult male market. Which is why it is a bin fire of a publication for teenaged girls.

It is why there are so many fucked up articles and 'how to' guides in Teen Vogue.

Totally. Funny that.

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To be honest, More, i'm not convinced it's even a good idea to alert her to their existence.

Wanging on about cocktails and being fabulous and collecting Bratz dolls does make him sound like a stereotyped feminine gay man more than a woman.

Agree. I knew when I was four I wanted to be a boy. In retrospect, I hated "girl" stuff and liked "boy" stuff. They are arbitrary cultural categories that had nothing to do with my actual sex, just stereotypes and expectations. JD is still (according to JD's own statements) clinging to girlhood rather than the horror of being a feminine gay man as a "consolation prize" - a sign of being unable to separate stereotypes from sex.

I don't know if I'd introduce his books to a teen just to try to get them to see how misogynistic it all is - not only might that be unclear to them but also I 'd hesitate to be the one to inflict the grossness and inaccuracy on anyone. The main books I'm thinking of are Wonderland and What's the T?

I'm someone else with a job connected to publishing, and I don't understand the love for Dawson either, or who is buying his books. I'm confident that it's not teen girls. I do know that it's the waterstones market as opposed to the supermarkets.

Quite often so called 'teen' books aren't teen at all, heartstopper being a case in point (a big market was women in their early thirties who like gay romance).

I hate when people talk about when they were four. They had no real concept of who they were and didn't have a framework or the cognitive understanding to grasp gender, sex, social roles, social rules, and how they all interact. "I knew when I was four" is such absolutely bullshit. Fuck all the way off.

Yes for anyone anyone not aware, the cherry is meant to symbolise a girls virginity/hymen.

There was a drag queen called popping cherry.

I wouldn't let your daughter anywhere near them. The reviews may be, but not the book

The episode based on Eurovision IIRC.

FFS! Cherry Pop? Grim

I suspect the Tipsy won't be happy with 'cosmetic' either, but technically it is the more accurate term IMO. You are starting with a healthy body after all. I like the phrase 'extreme body modification' as used by a poster earlier in the thread too. Maybe I will start to combine them: extreme cosmetic body modification surgery.

Edit. Sorry, this is a reply to Arabella.

Do you think any of the books might open the eyes of my 16y old DD to the misogyny of a certain idea of gender? If so, which one would you "recommend"? I would definitely read it myself first to vet it.