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Juno Dawson calls feminists 'maggots'

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ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 07:43

Dawson is making very little sense in this article, but the woman-hatred is very clear.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-pride-trans-woman-supreme-court-b2765178.html

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SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 13:42

Nerdrotic is not to everyone's taste, I know, but if it weren't for him and Critical Drinker I think I would have gone mad long ago.

And you know their anger comes from loving these pop culture franchises, knowing the entertainment potential they have, and hating what the entertainment business has done with them.

Charlie Brooker used to be like that. And then somewhere along the way, Charlie became a showbiz insider with a showbiz wife and showbiz friends, who went to the showbiz parties, who could get Channel 4 projects greenlit on his name alone. And Charlie wasn't angry any more.

The system used to be good at absorbing its critics. Today Russell T Davies seems to be on a mission to alienate every Doctor Who fan to the point where even the contributors to the Who subreddits (overwhelmingly identifying as "queer", "neurodiverse", "super left wing") are calling him a clueless boomer.

AsTreesWalking · 10/06/2025 13:38

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 09:20

'Books that use phrases like “let them use your body and get fucked both ends like a little piggy,” and “You’re a fucking cum slut. Worthless tranny whore” should not be recommended to children,'

Wonderland, stocked in the teen section of libraries and in secondary schools.

Never in the school library that I run.

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 13:36

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 13:26

Teen Vogue does not surprise me at all.

It's like, if I see a "lesbian" website giving young lesbians tips on how to give blowjobs, I know what demographic that site is serving, even if it's not the majority of the site's readership.

I believe that how to have lesbian sex with a penis has been one of the features of teen vogue if I remember correctly. That and the anal sex advocacy. Those were why I found out who it was targeted 'for' and to. Educating teenaged female people on how to give sex to 'lesbians' who were male or to cater for any sexual wish of a male person.

You really couldn't make it up. This thing about anal sex being something for female people is something that is really concerning. It is so focused on female people being a hole for a dick in any orifice that I despair for those girls reading it.

teawamutu · 10/06/2025 13:34

TipsyRaven247 · 10/06/2025 09:23

I stand corrected. She is a fully transitioned transgender woman.
However, I doubt that all those posters using male pronouns to refer to her would have the gall to do so in her presence

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Juno Dawson calls feminists 'maggots'
TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2025 13:33

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 13:33

I just am minded of Ricky Gervais: 'Of course she's a woman, look at her pronouns!'

Genius line

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 13:33

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 13:10

It is like it often is. Once someone realises just what they have supported there is little that they can do to recover their position of moral superiority. It is like the poster who demonised Maya Formatter for answering a direct question from an interviewer (ie. not directly talking to the man who was also in panel being interviewed) for saying that she would call the man a man.

The man that the poster was defending had just announced to the world, as a barrister, that they had a sexual relationship with a man who they did not disclose to that they were also male person until well after the encounter. ie. that the sex partner's consent for sex with another male person was not sort and that sex partner thought they were having sex with a 'woman'.

The poster really couldn't see the moral issue and kept saying 'but she misgendered him....' as if that was the most egregious thing that was discovered in that segment. This attempt by Tipsy was just like that.

I just am minded of Ricky Gervais: 'Of course she's a woman, look at her pronouns!'

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ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 13:32

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 12:52

https://media-studies.com/teenvogue-study-guide/

"It is worth noting 30% of the audience are men and a similar figure are over 40 years of age."

https://www.similarweb.com/website/teenvogue.com/#geography

And note.... they are upfront that they are 'male' so the stats are not counting those who say they are female and are 'girls'.

While the stats could be skewed, it has long been discussed on social media that the articles are indeed also aimed for men and the male audience.

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Thanks. I am very surprised.

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CassOle · 10/06/2025 13:31

A brief review of Dawson's Dr Who episode can be found here (14mins 55 secs). Hopefully, the link will start at the correct place as it is part of a review of the whole season.

Other reviews are available if you don't like Nerdrotic or want a more in-depth review, but even this short review manages to mention Dawson's book 'This book is gay' and include a bit of footage that shows Dawson's maleness very clearly.

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 13:26

Teen Vogue does not surprise me at all.

It's like, if I see a "lesbian" website giving young lesbians tips on how to give blowjobs, I know what demographic that site is serving, even if it's not the majority of the site's readership.

EasternStandard · 10/06/2025 13:22

I haven’t read it and unaware of the author but the Independent has been woeful on this.

Brefugee · 10/06/2025 13:20

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 12:41

See, I often think I'm cynical and jaded, and then things like this still take me by surprise. Adult men read Teen Vogue?! Fucking WHY

oh god same. There was so much hype about Teen Vogue telling the girls exactly how it is, and now we find out it's all been pandering to sissy-porn lovers and groomers?

I feel sick.

CassOle · 10/06/2025 13:18

Should we need 'gall' to tell an obvious truth?

If we do, isn't that a symptom of what has gone very wrong with this 'progressive' movement?

usedtobeaylis · 10/06/2025 13:14

TipsyRaven247 · 10/06/2025 09:23

I stand corrected. She is a fully transitioned transgender woman.
However, I doubt that all those posters using male pronouns to refer to her would have the gall to do so in her presence

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Women reluctant to do anything that might upset a male who openly and without condemnation refers to them as maggots, is that a surprise?

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 13:10

MarieDeGournay · 10/06/2025 12:57

I notice the TipsyRaven247 has flown off. That's one way of enforcing #nodebate, isn't it? Talk to the tail feathers, the head ain't listening..

It is like it often is. Once someone realises just what they have supported there is little that they can do to recover their position of moral superiority. It is like the poster who demonised Maya Formatter for answering a direct question from an interviewer (ie. not directly talking to the man who was also in panel being interviewed) for saying that she would call the man a man.

The man that the poster was defending had just announced to the world, as a barrister, that they had a sexual relationship with a man who they did not disclose to that they were also male person until well after the encounter. ie. that the sex partner's consent for sex with another male person was not sort and that sex partner thought they were having sex with a 'woman'.

The poster really couldn't see the moral issue and kept saying 'but she misgendered him....' as if that was the most egregious thing that was discovered in that segment. This attempt by Tipsy was just like that.

MarieDeGournay · 10/06/2025 12:57

I notice the TipsyRaven247 has flown off. That's one way of enforcing #nodebate, isn't it? Talk to the tail feathers, the head ain't listening..

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 12:53

There's more overlap between a certain type of (self-loathing? maybe, maybe not) gay man and AGP than you might think.

I hadn't heard about JD insisting his boyfriend was straight, but among some gay men, the idea of pulling a straight man is a MASSIVE fetish. It's often connected to sissification fetishes.

There's an obvious parallel with the hetero AGPs who obsess over the idea of pulling lesbians.

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 12:52

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 12:41

See, I often think I'm cynical and jaded, and then things like this still take me by surprise. Adult men read Teen Vogue?! Fucking WHY

https://media-studies.com/teenvogue-study-guide/

"It is worth noting 30% of the audience are men and a similar figure are over 40 years of age."

https://www.similarweb.com/website/teenvogue.com/#geography

And note.... they are upfront that they are 'male' so the stats are not counting those who say they are female and are 'girls'.

While the stats could be skewed, it has long been discussed on social media that the articles are indeed also aimed for men and the male audience.

Teen Vogue Magazine | Analysis of the Close Study Product

Analysis of Teen Vogue (media industry, representation and audience) to help you prepare for the AQA Media Studies exam.

https://media-studies.com/teenvogue-study-guide/

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2025 12:50

TipsyRaven247 · 10/06/2025 09:23

I stand corrected. She is a fully transitioned transgender woman.
However, I doubt that all those posters using male pronouns to refer to her would have the gall to do so in her presence

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It's so interesting that you've said this. Because you've basically admitted that pronoun compliance is driven by a culture of fear.

But I would say it to his face. He's a man. I'm not pretending that he's anything else.

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2025 12:46

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 12:41

See, I often think I'm cynical and jaded, and then things like this still take me by surprise. Adult men read Teen Vogue?! Fucking WHY

I think you know why.

I expect Teen Vogue knows that too and it would explain a lot.

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 12:41

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 11:35

Those Bratz dolls remind me that Teen Vogue has a huge adult male market. Which is why it is a bin fire of a publication for teenaged girls.

It is why there are so many fucked up articles and 'how to' guides in Teen Vogue.

See, I often think I'm cynical and jaded, and then things like this still take me by surprise. Adult men read Teen Vogue?! Fucking WHY

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TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2025 12:38

TipsyRaven247 · 10/06/2025 09:18

Why are posters referring to this person as a "he"? She is a fully transitioned woman.

Because he is and always will be a man.

There is no such thing as 'full transitioning'

SerafinasGoose · 10/06/2025 12:34

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 07:44

'My view is that despite the law being very clear, actually, a few very determined transphobes have crawled their way to the heart of the law like maggots in an apple. '

Their ability to project and turn those projections into DARVO is really quite something. It's a well-practised form of gaslighting: they've been doing it for years.

I can't believe there is anyone still out there who takes this nonsense at face value. It has to be a conscious form of denial. Whatever it is, it's outright disingenuous.

Helleofabore · 10/06/2025 12:30

Datun · 10/06/2025 11:37

Wasn't it the guy from pink news who went on about great articles in teen Vogue? All about anal sex?

I might be misremembering who (but it was definitely a guy).

It was some guy, yes.

Rightsraptor · 10/06/2025 12:00

Igneococcus · 10/06/2025 09:29

What would you call surgery that isn't required from a health perspective and is purely to make someone look a certain way?

I'd call it cosmetic surgery.

WhatterySquash · 10/06/2025 11:58

Cabbageheads · 10/06/2025 11:50

I think there is something in that, but I also think that we need to be very aware of the elephant in the room, which is that 'transitioning to be a woman' can have a sexual aspect to it. The journey can be the point. The fact that it's not a functional female body at the end is irrelevant, because the goal is a transitioned male body, which is an entirely different thing. (I don't know if I'm explaining this very well).

Yes I was leaving that elephant aside! I'd seen JD as more self-loathing (and misogynistic) gay than AGP, but tbh I'm not sure how much crossover there can be between the two. JD has indeed banged on about wanting to be "fucked like a woman" etc and the Freda Wallace-style miniskirt flashing is another feature.