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Juno Dawson calls feminists 'maggots'

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ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 07:43

Dawson is making very little sense in this article, but the woman-hatred is very clear.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-pride-trans-woman-supreme-court-b2765178.html

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Waitwhat23 · 10/06/2025 16:44

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 13:42

Nerdrotic is not to everyone's taste, I know, but if it weren't for him and Critical Drinker I think I would have gone mad long ago.

And you know their anger comes from loving these pop culture franchises, knowing the entertainment potential they have, and hating what the entertainment business has done with them.

Charlie Brooker used to be like that. And then somewhere along the way, Charlie became a showbiz insider with a showbiz wife and showbiz friends, who went to the showbiz parties, who could get Channel 4 projects greenlit on his name alone. And Charlie wasn't angry any more.

The system used to be good at absorbing its critics. Today Russell T Davies seems to be on a mission to alienate every Doctor Who fan to the point where even the contributors to the Who subreddits (overwhelmingly identifying as "queer", "neurodiverse", "super left wing") are calling him a clueless boomer.

I used to love Charlie Brooker - I've got all his books. He was a gloriously ascerbic writer then, sending a howl of rage at the disappointments of the entertainment industry, with pin point accuracy.

His final column was fantastically self aware of that difficulty of balancing his critic life with his celebrity life -

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/16/charlie-brooker-leaving-screen-burn

Charlie Brooker: Why I'm calling time on Screen Burn

TV stars can breathe a little easier: our uniquely grumpy critic has decided to call it quits

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2010/oct/16/charlie-brooker-leaving-screen-burn

orangeegg · 10/06/2025 16:42

Lmfao at that headline, yeah that's right Juno you aren't a woman you're a man who had his penis modified but your still a man and always will be, there is literally zero you can do about it.

He doesn't want to say what a woman, he just wants to be one? Well in order to want to be a woman I guess he must recognise what one is and therefore have a good idea that a women is an adult human female and that he isn't that. He will just abstain from defining a woman because that would rule him out of ever being one.

Very telling that he refers to real woman as "maggots" and again with the gaslighting that most women love them and regard men like him as "sisters" when in reality women are just socialised to be nice and even though many women he has imposed on and transgressed the boundaries of will feel deeply uncomfortable with him they will choose to avoid conflict with a large, fairly manly looking delusional male who could easily break their jaw or worse in any ensuing argument, not to mention the risk of social punishment within certain circles.

The truth is that men like Juno just need to accept they aren't women and that no amount of surgery, hormones, dresses or make up will ever change that he's a man. He can live as he likes nobody can stop him playing make believe but we can prevent men like him from entering women's spaces, women's sports and representing women in anyway, no women only short lists, no women's prizes. I personally don't believe people should be able to change sex on their legal documents because it allows people to erase their past identity and crimes, and could lead to male crimes being logged as committed be females.

I think it was a mistake to allow these men to change their sex on these documents because as we can now see it erroneously has lead them to believe that they are women and seen as women legally which is actually not the case and never has been. I would support this ability to change sex on legal documents to be removed as a way to ensure clarity over the reality of the situation and to ensure women's safety, privacy and rights are secure.

He seems to think women who object to men like him and his kind "don’t want to see us revel in joy" well if he's referring to getting his jollies in women's spaces then he's correct, we don't want to see that or enable it. If he means we don't want him to be happy because he imagines he's a woman he should know that we simply don't give a shit what he does with his life, he can imagine he's yogi bear for all I care. All women are fighting for the right to not be erased by fetishistic men who by claiming to be legally women make what a woman is meaningless. We won't our sex based rights to be clearly defined in law as applying to actually women only and to have our single sex spaces also protected in law.

Men like Juno only prove with gaslighting like this that they hate women and see us as less than human, he should just has titled his article "Shut up bitches and let me in".

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 10/06/2025 16:26

What on earth has Juno had done to the nose? It seems to be in several parts.

I have no useful comment to make re maggots, I am referring those to our frequent visitor Butterfly, who presumably is an expert on insect transmogrification.

TheKeatingFive · 10/06/2025 16:19

TheOtherRaven · 10/06/2025 15:59

The quote of Veronica Ivy, (or whatever current name was the one at the time, he's been through a few,) has always stuck with me - that he expected lesbian women to 'learn to cope' with sex with men who identified as women.

That said it all.

There was no consideration or expectation of those women's pleasure or even willing consent, never mind enthusiastic consent - this was merely a duty he ordained that they must learn to endure by being in possession of a lesbian woman's body men have entitlement to. Basically the provision of free sex work, to be suffered through. Because all that mattered was that a man was enabled to use a lesbian woman's body for his own gratification.

There really is no more needed to know about these men. If Dawson was not the currently fashionable 'trans', no one would have the faintest interest in or tolerance for any of the incel nonsense he comes out with. Robin White and the fox botherer equally make plain on a daily basis that they will be stunned, appalled and outraged when the ECHR has to explain that human rights belong to women as well and not merely to enable special men to use women without inconvenience.

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These men are total incels and it is about time the world started to call them out on that

TheOtherRaven · 10/06/2025 15:59

Datun · 10/06/2025 14:42

I have to say, I'm quite shocked about the middle-aged men obsession with Teen Vogue.

It's one thing suspecting that Teen Vogue have no boundaries, and are presenting inappropriate material to teenagers.

It's quite another realising it's all bloody deliberate to cater to adult men's sexual appetite, using teenage girls as the means to do it.

Although now I understand why the how to have anal sex guide had diagrams of boys' and girls' genitals, but left off the clitoris entirely from the girls' diagram. Any potential pleasure a girl might have was totally ignored.

Not to mention the fact that sex of any description is completely illegal for a significant portion of their apparent readership.

Not only was Germaine Greer right. She fucking underestimated it.

The quote of Veronica Ivy, (or whatever current name was the one at the time, he's been through a few,) has always stuck with me - that he expected lesbian women to 'learn to cope' with sex with men who identified as women.

That said it all.

There was no consideration or expectation of those women's pleasure or even willing consent, never mind enthusiastic consent - this was merely a duty he ordained that they must learn to endure by being in possession of a lesbian woman's body men have entitlement to. Basically the provision of free sex work, to be suffered through. Because all that mattered was that a man was enabled to use a lesbian woman's body for his own gratification.

There really is no more needed to know about these men. If Dawson was not the currently fashionable 'trans', no one would have the faintest interest in or tolerance for any of the incel nonsense he comes out with. Robin White and the fox botherer equally make plain on a daily basis that they will be stunned, appalled and outraged when the ECHR has to explain that human rights belong to women as well and not merely to enable special men to use women without inconvenience.

JeremiahBullfrog · 10/06/2025 15:27

I thought his Doctor Who (which I was dreading) was actually quite good; he managed to avoid including any teenage sex fantasies and didn't even try to push a trans agenda. Weirdly the one character who was somewhat trans-coded was also an insane genocidal terrorist, so I wonder if Dawson is trying to tell us something...

WhatterySquash · 10/06/2025 15:18

Why does this boil your p so much?*

This is at the heart of the disingenuousness of the whole piece, and of the similar tactic as used by the genderwoo lobby as a whole.

"Why are you so angry, mean and intolerant about me having fun, being who I wanted to be when I was 4, celebrating my body, liking bratz dolls in the privacy of my own home, having a happy life?"
(and of course "just wanting to pee")

We're not. Of course we're not. We actually are happy for you to indulge your own fantasies and tastes and ideas about who you are, while you're not taking anything from anyone else and not lying about your sex.

We are just not happy about "woman" being defined as inclusive of males for situations where sex matters - prisons, hospital wards, changing rooms, sports, prizes, breastfeeding support, intimate care and so on.

But of course these articles and interviews are always twisted to try to make GC people appear angry and intolerant about perfectly innocent lovely behaviours and people "being themselves".

They never say "Why are you so angry and intolerant about women being forced to share supposedly safe spaces with rapists" or "Why are you so angry and intolerant about lesbians being kicked out of apps and organisations if they say they're only interested in females?" or "Why are you so angry and intolerant about girls being unable to win in their sports categories and males taking their medals and prize money and scholarships?" It's obvious why. They have to lie and twist reality to paint feminists as "mean".

We see you JD we are not that thick.

Totallymessed · 10/06/2025 15:16

The primary school stage thinking combined with adult male, porn soaked perversions is truly grotesque.

Totallymessed · 10/06/2025 15:15

I find these people baffling. He wants the same things as he did when he was four- things that are not possible. How the hell have we managed to end up with adults who have managed to reach adulthood without coming to terms with reality, and growing out of primary school level magical thinking. And- truly bizarre- that rather than have people politely encourage them to grow up, have people pretend they can magically become whatever they want.

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 14:58

'... unfortunately part of the trans package is it does come with a whole heap of
problems.'

No shit, mate.

Around 3 minute mark.

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terryleather · 10/06/2025 14:57

Datun · 10/06/2025 14:42

I have to say, I'm quite shocked about the middle-aged men obsession with Teen Vogue.

It's one thing suspecting that Teen Vogue have no boundaries, and are presenting inappropriate material to teenagers.

It's quite another realising it's all bloody deliberate to cater to adult men's sexual appetite, using teenage girls as the means to do it.

Although now I understand why the how to have anal sex guide had diagrams of boys' and girls' genitals, but left off the clitoris entirely from the girls' diagram. Any potential pleasure a girl might have was totally ignored.

Not to mention the fact that sex of any description is completely illegal for a significant portion of their apparent readership.

Not only was Germaine Greer right. She fucking underestimated it.

A few years ago now I saw a trailer for a tv programme that was about middle aged men (I think they were Japanese) who were absolutely obsessed by teen girl singers.

In what I now think of as the "before times", i.e before I knew about genderism, malaga airport etc, I would have thought these men were fantasising about abusing those girls but knowing what I know now it struck me that they were probably fantasising about being those girls being abused by men like them - an even more horrific level of horror.

This is why the now infamous scene with Sam Rockwell in the latest season of The White Lotus is so on point. Once you see it you can't unsee it.

SionnachRuadh · 10/06/2025 14:45

Well yes, if Teen Vogue was a person you'd want to check their hard drive.

Datun · 10/06/2025 14:42

I have to say, I'm quite shocked about the middle-aged men obsession with Teen Vogue.

It's one thing suspecting that Teen Vogue have no boundaries, and are presenting inappropriate material to teenagers.

It's quite another realising it's all bloody deliberate to cater to adult men's sexual appetite, using teenage girls as the means to do it.

Although now I understand why the how to have anal sex guide had diagrams of boys' and girls' genitals, but left off the clitoris entirely from the girls' diagram. Any potential pleasure a girl might have was totally ignored.

Not to mention the fact that sex of any description is completely illegal for a significant portion of their apparent readership.

Not only was Germaine Greer right. She fucking underestimated it.

Datun · 10/06/2025 14:35

Pluvia · 10/06/2025 14:15

Thanks. I'm going to take it up with the moderators. This is beyond a joke. Dawson is a man — he knows it. Since the SC ruling I should be allowed to call him he and use the phrase trans-identified man. The fact that he wore a ridiculously short skirt to the event is on record: there will be video and hundreds of people who saw him live. Why on earth am I not allowed to say what I observed?

Maybe they will say it's hearsay. Transactivists can't argue with actual footage and screenshots.

Maybe illustrate your point with something like that?

usedtobeaylis · 10/06/2025 14:33

Toseland · 10/06/2025 14:19

Why does this boil your p* so much?
Because all the quirky, eccentric, free-thinking kids, the gay kids and the tomboys are now conforming to pathetic gender stereotypes we destroyed in the fucking 1980s you shitty, selfish, porn-soaked bloke.
All the women I know are spending their money and time having to argue this crap.
It's destroyed my life as I can now clearly see how much women and children matter; which is not very much at all.
I will never forgive you. Never!

Well said. Having to assume a man in a dress is a 'woman' rather than a man in a dress is such a big backwards step. Little kids seeing girls with short hair as probably identifying as something other than as a girl is a backwards step. It's ridiculously regressive.

Toseland · 10/06/2025 14:19

Why does this boil your p* so much?
Because all the quirky, eccentric, free-thinking kids, the gay kids and the tomboys are now conforming to pathetic gender stereotypes we destroyed in the fucking 1980s you shitty, selfish, porn-soaked bloke.
All the women I know are spending their money and time having to argue this crap.
It's destroyed my life as I can now clearly see how much women and children matter; which is not very much at all.
I will never forgive you. Never!

Pluvia · 10/06/2025 14:15

Thanks. I'm going to take it up with the moderators. This is beyond a joke. Dawson is a man — he knows it. Since the SC ruling I should be allowed to call him he and use the phrase trans-identified man. The fact that he wore a ridiculously short skirt to the event is on record: there will be video and hundreds of people who saw him live. Why on earth am I not allowed to say what I observed?

WinterTrees · 10/06/2025 14:11

Pluvia · 10/06/2025 14:04

Ah: I see my account of Juno Dawson's appearance at the Hay Festival has been removed yet again! Why am I not permitted to recount my personal experience of seeing Dawson at public event? Hay videos all the events. He'll be on film in his micro mini.

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I'm glad that you posted it Pluvia - I saw it before it was removed.

I don't know why it needs to be censored. Witnessing those clumsy caricatures of womanhood is genuinely upsetting and offensive. It's happened to me a couple of times and the range of emotions it provoked on both occasions was complex and profound. It's something I think women should be able to speak about.

SerafinasGoose · 10/06/2025 14:06

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 08:35

Noting the story about lesbians in Boston getting challenged in loos.

Noting absence of stories of trans identifying males having any issues in the men's loos.

Noting absence of the fact that trans identifying females now have pregnancy and maternity rights protected in the UK.

Noting also the non-stories. Apparently this only became an issue once the UK SC defined what a woman is for the purposes of EA. Before this lesbians - who by their very definition know exactly what a woman is - apparently went about their business unchallenged. Or, if they were challenged, nobody cared and no one was listening.

Funny, that.

Pluvia · 10/06/2025 14:04

Ah: I see my account of Juno Dawson's appearance at the Hay Festival has been removed yet again! Why am I not permitted to recount my personal experience of seeing Dawson at public event? Hay videos all the events. He'll be on film in his micro mini.

WhatterySquash · 10/06/2025 14:03

PopstarPoppy · 10/06/2025 13:55

“A system that has been working perfectly well since 2010 has now been unnecessarily tampered with”

Working perfectly well for YOU, maybe. Newsflash, Juno: transwomen aren’t the only people on Earth.

And the twisting and lying (lying or profound stupidity/ignorance) - no it's been very necessarily DE-tampered with. A clarification has been sought and given in a situation where the actual law was being lied about and misrepresented to the unlawful detriment of women and gay people.

JD's statement isn't just wrong, it's the literal opposite of the truth.

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 13:59

'No one is reduced to a stereotype. The representations are positive and empowering.
My mission for Teen Vogue is to be as inclusive and representative as possible, to champion and celebrate all kinds of diversity, to be a guide and resource for young people who want to change the world for the better, and to remember to have fun and find joy while doing it.'

Versha Sharma (Teen Vogue Editor in Chief)

And I thought it was just all about selling shit with flashy pictures. Blow me down.

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PopstarPoppy · 10/06/2025 13:55

“A system that has been working perfectly well since 2010 has now been unnecessarily tampered with”

Working perfectly well for YOU, maybe. Newsflash, Juno: transwomen aren’t the only people on Earth.

BundleBoogie · 10/06/2025 13:50

From the article

“..we can either sit on X, spewing increasingly unhinged tweets,”

He does have a level of self awareness of tra behaviour. It’s a shame he hasn’t put two and two together and understood his blatant homophobia.

ArabellaScott · 10/06/2025 13:44

'Teen Vogue constructs an active female identity which is supposed to inspire “the next generation of influencers”. In terms of Judith Butler’s theory of performativity, the images and stories encourage the young readers to express themselves freely and find their own voice in the world.'

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