Existence

Agreed, if gender woo didn't exist it wouldn't waste time.

What a waste of time

The "existing" thing isn't just TRAs, it seems to get weirdly used by all of that political tribe.

You'll see phrases like "Black bodies are not allowed to just exist." Or I once in a library professionals discussion about how to manage the needs of differernt groups in the library say "the purpose of a library is to let people exist without paying."

It's an interesting development and I could be quite worth unpacking why they are so inclined to use that kind of language, why they see it as so meaningful.

Also, as they say it's based on feelings, the question I wonder is why can manhood not encompass all men?
In reality it does as all men are men but some pretend or feel they don't fit in. Somehow they imagine this makes them women as some kind of solution to their feelings. They just need to accept they are men who may not always conform with stereotypes.

They don't think womanhood is biological. They think it's mental.

I think that's incredibly regressive and sexist, but hey ho. They can believe what they want I guess.

The really important thing people with this view need to be asked is not "why do you believe TWAW" because that just comes down to a battle of language and belief.

The really important question is "if womanhood is in the mind not the body, why is it that transwomen so need to be included in things intended for people with female bodies? Why exactly is it such a problem to have single sex services, protections and supports for people with female bodies if gender is about how you feel not what sex you are?"

Yaaaay! I love it!

This is on the baby centre website? And the posters on there don't believe in biology?

How did each couple decide who was going to carry the baby? Flipping coins?

You have way more patience than me! What an absolute load of twaddle, how are they not embarrassed to write such nonsense?

Slight tangent...
Breasts exist and socially women cannot go around topless (ref. the recent moobs out events where topless males clearly exist).

Jaffa cakes exist but they're not...
oh wait, a VAT tribunal in 1991 ruled that they actually are cakes not biscuits!

Indeed, but I simply can’t believe they can be that stupid. I think the only way that they can maintain their position is through wilful ignorance.

@Boston365- I think you may have just tried to disprove the old adage that ‘there’s no arguing with stupid’.

You can just imagjne them screeching 'Clap evil terven! Do it now!!!'

Every use of the word "existence" or "exist" that is uttered by a TRA is disingenuous bollocks.

Disagreeing with someone does not deny their existence.
Insisting of provably accurate facts does not deny the existence of someone who wishes me to believe a fantasy.
If someone shows me a banana and insists it is an apple, and I say "no it's a banana" I am not denying the existence of the fruit in question, nor saying it isn't an entirely valid and worthwhile fruit.

Come on terven, do you not realise that TW are literally Tinkerbell? If they don’t have a theatre full of sugar-crazed 7 year olds screaming ‘We believe in fairies’ EVERY DAY they literally die.

(Actually I think this genuinely is the basis of far too many shit HR policies with the added disadvantage that we aren’t allowed ice creams or an interval.)

This is awesome!

I’m also “transphobic and ignorant” for explaining throughout the entire thread how males with 5-ARD can end up in women’s sports and retain all the strength and advantage of males. For advocating that we centre women in their own sporting category because men who identify as women retain their physical advantage.

I usually just post this

www.boysvswomen.com

It's hard for them to find an argument against such specific results.

Urgh @Boston365, you have more patience than me. I just can’t converse with people like that- it gets me too vexed 😂

’They have opted out of manhood’. FFS. They’re very welcome to opt out of masculinity- I’m all for a world where any person can enjoy the masculine or feminine aspects of their personality- or both or neither. But no one is opting out of their XY chromosomes.

I have been arguing about this on babycentre for the last few days and it’s going well 🤣

Apparently arguing against making male violence against women a sport, by allowing males to compete in women’s boxing is hugely transphobic and “gatekeeping womanhood” 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

If anyone can think of any responses do let me know as I have well and truly used up all my patience 😵‍💫

Not really relevant to the theme of the thread except very tangentially but this cartoon about a Trojan horse tickled me

https://xkcd.com/3098/

Arrff! At the post above!