Munroe Bergdorf in the Observer

There seems to be quite a lot of digital post doing the heavy lifting in the images accompanying the article

Good to see that the Observer managed to mention all of Munroe's books, the film, the film release date, the book price et al

Oh, dear god, if I wore a ‘fluffy cardigan’ by Stella McCartney I would one able to fit through the doors on the bus.

How very far these people are from real life.

Too wrapped up in themselves and their me, me, me attitude more like.

These people are very probably totally unaware of such things as they don’t directly concern them and are not in any way useful to them, as well as having a pretty poor grasp of biology and, indeed, reality.

🐼 or 🐨!!

"I tweeted a reminder..."

Shut up! Quiet now, everybody listen to MEEEE!

All the plastic surgery.
All the mansplaning what it is to be woman.
All the controversies.
All the naked photos with meat and two veg on display.

Yet this bloke was made UN Women's UK Champion.

Arseholes.

We did IVF to have our last baby. Because we were in our 40s we also did PGD, to test for chromosomal abnormalities. At this time, the sex of the potential baby was determined, from a 3 day blastocyst. When I got pregnant after transfer, I already knew I was having a girl.

No apologies needed - I just wanted to give some background.

Obviously where the Observer is concerned, the power of the trans still overrides normal social standards of behaviour. Imagine celebrating and platforming a person with his shady past.

This gives a bit more detail.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/munroe-bergdorf-the-nspcc-and-the-failure-of-the-media/

I think many trans people (not all, obviously) don't have children, don't want them and have very little interest in children, babies or pregnancy; they are too wrapped up in trying to sort out their own lives.

Indeed. It amazes me that some people get through life without knowing such basic facts.

Are these people suddenly unaware of the 12 week scan done by the NHS where the sex of the baby is observed? Or how IVF sex selection of embryos works? Or missed the conversation with a pregnant friend where she divulged the sex of her baby?

It’s quite astounding.

cor blimey I’d forgotten about that article. He made a tweet demanding that women do feminism his way and they ignored him

Ultimately, this demonstrated to me a lack of interest about what we as trans people go through emotionally

he really is a massive, narcissistic wally isn’t he?

Did have to (wryly) laugh at the vagueness of this sentence in that article -

'In February 2018, Bergdorf resigned as an LGBT adviser to the Labour party over some resurfaced tweets from 2010 that some found offensive.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5717376/labour-lgbt-munroe-bergdorf-homophobic-tweets-apology/

The tweets which 'some found offensive' were wildly homophobic.

Those and other comments Bergdorf has made are in this image

Apologies for being a bit flippant - he sounds like a piece of work.

I will have to do a bit of reading

Given what you have said, why would the Observer choose to celebrate him?

The assigned at birth reference actually makes me very angry. It's irresponsible at best, and cynically seeking to undermine the law at worst.

If that's really what they ruled, then Imane Khelif is suffering a travesty of justice right now, and the Supreme Court supports males boxing females at the Olympics.

This misinformation matters.

Well, here's a little taster of what MB is like.

January saw the second annual Women’s March in major cities in the US and UK. Rightfully charged up in the wake of the #MeToo and #TimesUp movements, hundreds of thousands of women took to the streets to show a united front against abuse and harassment. But in among the banners, a well-intentioned yet misguided symbol of women’s equality was worn by protestors – the pink pussy hat. It might seem like a fun, inoffensive and light-hearted accessory, designed to unite women, but it feeds into a narrative that continues to push us apart. Last month, prior to the march I tweeted a reminder to those participating that it was an event for all women. I said, for the day to be truly progressive, it should focus on elevating the voices and experiences of those who are most often silenced and ignored in society. Guess who that means!

graziadaily.co.uk/life/opinion/munroe-bergdorf-women-getting-feminism-wrong/

I presume they will be renaming The Observer. "The Assigner" seems appropriate.

He’s been very active over the years. He worked with other vicious activists to cause the wonderful Baroness Nicholson (women’s rights campaigner both for UK women and Yezidi women) to be sacked, vilified and ostracised from her Vice President role of the Booker prize (established by her late husband).

He made a speech criticising women for talking about issues related to our bodies and had a group of lesbians banned from a Pride parade.

He was sacked by the NSPCC for breached safeguarding rules - inviting children to contact him privately and posing for sexualised pictures but such was a the power of the trans lobby, the BBC and others intervened on his behalf and the NSPCC ended up apologising.

There also other issues.

Polar, brown, or spectacled?

I could only read half of it, because I found it SO boringly narcissistic and uninteresting. What is the actual point of this man, other than to seek out discrimination at every turn about every aspect of himself? He’s a walking, talking cliche. Why are these people so unbearably obsessed with themselves? I bet he’s great fun at parties.

Sigh..... isn't it tiring trying to explain reality to the captured?

@user1471453601 sex is not assigned at any point. It is determined at conception, and never changes. It may be observed at birth, or may be measured sooner than that by various means (sometimes done to establish if the developing foetus has any congenital illnesses) or may need to be measured later if a disorder of sexual development has had a significant effect. Gender may develop a lot later, depending on how toxic a sexist culture the child grows up in, and is an entirely different phenomenon.

user1471453601 I had a midwife who could correctly identify the sex of the baby from the different sound of the heartbeat in the uterus via Doppler. Boys were more chugga chugga like a train and girls more badum badum. She was right but that's >30 years of experience for you. The sonographer was also correct in identifying the sex of the babies during scans. Actually viewing the baby at birth and observing the sex was the third time of confirming sex - I could have had blood tests while pregnant too, which would have made four times.

No one used a sorting hat to assign a sex. And no doctor went any where near the baby before the sex was recorded.

Sex isn’t assigned, it’s observed silly!

and is DNA the only characteristic (or even the most important charactetistc) we allow a person.and is DNA the only characteristic (or even the most important charactetistc) we allow a person.

From the perspective of evolution, yes DNA is the only thing that matters.