Munroe Bergdorf in the Observer

Well, be fair. Bergdorf is influential. I mean, Bergdorf's made a significant contribution to the total redefinition of "woman" to match Bergdorf's perceptions of what a "woman" is.

You really don't get much more influential than that.

A "biological" woman could never achieve it. It's just not within our scope, is it? 🙄😤

Unbelievably stupid.

The pandering to these men is off the scale!

It is pretty irresponsible for some journalists to throw more fuel onto the trend. Children are influenced by trans and are being harmed by it

He doesn't influence me.

How predictable 🙄

Idiots 🤦‍♀️

https://archive.ph/Fd9jk

Bergdorf's now made The Vogue 25 as one of Britain's most influential women 🙄

I'm not sure how it's odd. It seems logical to me precisely because of the chronology you outline.

The article states: "On 16 April the UK Supreme Court ruled that the legal definition of “sex” is based on biological sex assigned at birth." This is incorrect. If this were the case, then Imane Khelif, who was "assigned" female at birth, would be "legally defined as" female in the eyes of the Supreme Court. In fact, as we know, they're male. (My understanding is that they would be seen as such by the SC, too, but IANAL and maybe this is something to be tested in future).

Regardless, I agree that the conflation of DSDs and trans status is cynical and exploitative. That's why accuracy and precision are vital. In this particular case, the misreporting of the SC judgement could be cited to support a male boxing against females. This would be wrong.

I'm arguing against the appropriation by trans ideology of the DSD-specific descriptor "assigned at birth". I see the Guardian's misuse of it as disrespectful and damaging.

Should have lost all credibility and been shut out of ever talking about women when he demanded women don't centre their own reproductive rights at a women's march. Even worse were the woman who said yes sir ok sir whatever you say sir.

The media seem to think that transwomen are all same sex attracted males (Bergdorf, Paris Lees, Juno Dawson, Shon Faye). i.e. they have no sexual attraction to women, so what’s the harm with letting them into women’s spaces?

I naively thought that the SC judgement would put an end to this sycophancy by the media. How much more of this drivel can we take!

I can think of a number of gifs or memes which would fit the bill, but I suspect MNHQ might take a dim view of.

If you have IVF, it is possible to choose the sex of your baby. It's not legal here in the UK but it is in some parts of the US.

The sex is determined via chromosome testing of the blastocyst at around 7 days after conception.

A NIPT test can be used to determine the sex of the baby very early in pregnancy from a sample of the mother's blood.

CVS and amniocentesis both allow DNA testing of the foetus.

Ultrasound can be used to determine the sex of the baby from around 20 weeks gestation.

The bear is not feeling very poked TBH.

He was sacked by the NSPCC for breached safeguarding rules - inviting children to contact him privately and posing for sexualised pictures but such was a the power of the trans lobby, the BBC and others intervened on his behalf and the NSPCC ended up apologising.

Astounding.

Ha yes, and the self-satisfied "look how brave I am to challenge you hateful bigots" at the end. "Sure, bro" as my teens would say.

sex cannot be assigned before birth can it? Can we assign any characteristics to a foetus? Sex can be assumed prior to birth of course. But do we take DNA from a foetus? If so, I didn't know that

It’s hard to think of an adequate response to this display of stupidity and ignorance, even more so on a site called Mumsnet.

It was classic. ISTR it came out the day of an early WPUK meeting in London and was passed around at the MN pre- meeting meetup.

and is DNA the only characteristic (or even the most important charactetistc) we allow a person.

No. It's only one aspect of all the many many wonderful things that make up a human being.

That does not mean, however, that ones biological sex somehow becomes a matter of opinion, taste or self-assigned, or that it has no relevance or consequence to how one experiences life.

Why would the observer choose to fawn and trip over themselves to put any of these attention seeking men on a pedestal? Bergdorfs CV is bad but it's not the worst out of the usual suspects that newspapers have on speed dial for their 'we are so oppressed' rent-a-quote when it's RainbobbinsSharkJumpedMonth. There's a number of individuals who had they not had the correct characteristic would have been cancelled a long time ago if they were being treated equally. Instead there is a free pass for a questionable resume. It's definitely a consistent theme.

Everyone of the Rent A Quotes can't do an interview without shouting Me and I a lot. They are the only pronouns they need and use.

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I believe the writer Ellen E Jones did a Screenshots podcast with Mark Kermode about how great it is that sex work isn't shown in films as grim anymore but as a fab positive choice. I haven't been able to bring myself to listen, despite having been a fan of the show previously. So sorry if I have misrepresented them, although I think there was a thread on here angry and dismayed about it too.

Sex isn't ASSIGNED at all, not at ANY point. It just is.

@Catiette bit of an odd comment - given that by all accounts Imane Khelif really was one of the very few people to have sex assigned at birth incorrectly, given the DSD that they allegedly have. They would however have been obviously male at puberty.

Appropriating this very rare and complex experience to benefit people like Bergdorf who had a bogstandard male sex and developed on a normal pathway is one of the more upsetting things about this movement.