Simone Biles attacks Riley Gaines

i do not understand why it’s other peoples responsibility to solve entirely self inflicted problems

Exactly. Especially as trans-specific categories have been trialled and were pretty much ignored by the people making the most noise.

Competing in one's own sex class is the solution

This.

The first point of order is getting males out of women's sport. That is the priority. Anyone who wants to try and talk zealots into accepting a trans category can do that, and leave the rest of us to try and reinstate boundaries around women's sport.

My daughter is a competitive swimmer and she should NEVER be competing against a male whether she finishes first or last. The downplaying of women's competitive sport is disgusting.

But I agree the world needs to find a solution

yes but do we need to find a solution?? There are 2 sexes and trans ppl can compete with their birth sex. If they’ve taken so many meds or made bodily changes that makes that impossible then you know that’s the consequences of the choices they made. Not everyone can have everything they would like!!

i do not understand why it’s other peoples responsibility to solve entirely self inflicted problems

But SB cant hold whatever views she wants? Like I said, I also disagree with SB's unnecessary jab on RG's looks. But I agree the world needs to find a solution and one solution could be - as SB and many others suggest, a separate category. And I agree with RG that men shouldnt be in women's sport but I disagree with her support for a man taking reproductive rights away from women, from people of colour, taking away lifesaving food and medicines (its already bought and being allowed to rot/expire) to the world's most vulnerable. You support whoever you want and their views.

She doesn't have to care about women's reproductive rights though, does she? It's a free country and she can take whatever position she likes. We can disagree with her if we like, but tbf the USA is very different from the UK when it comes to issues like abortion and plenty of people over there agree with her.

I just can't believe that people chastise her for "only coming 5th". Not everyone can be the winner. She was an elite swimmer. She took part in Olympic trials. She was there when Lia Thomas was trying to set a precedent which, if not for Riley, he might have gotten away with, and she has every right to campaign against it.

Simone hasn't announced retirement and is still in the drug pool, but otherwise agree. Her current position is evidently based on a belief that a trans category is an option. It's theoretically possible that she might think differently once she finds out the reality, albeit she may well have backed herself into a corner with this performance so I wouldn't expect her to admit it if she does.

Simone Biles has show her true self spouting bile about another woman and has proven how fake she was in this interview because she wanted the as wearing money from the SK-11 brand!

https://www.shape.com/celebrities/news/simone-biles-body-shaming-beauty-standards

She is truly a nasty piece of work.

Yup. Right wing women are allowed rights too, even if they would often deny some of them to other women. I'll fight for them even if they don't fight for me. Fundamental.

If anyone I know wants to know the arguments about women's sports, I send them the long interview Riley did with Megyn Kelly. It's the best single breakdown of the issue that I know.

My patience with left wing women imposing purity tests and saying we can't speak with right wing women expired a long time ago. Especially given many of them have a record of covering for the scummy behaviour of left wing men.

How disappointing.

I wonder if she has seen the clip of male gymnasts doing the female routines and how easily they perform moves female people can’t.

Riley Gaines is allowed to hold whatever political opinions she chooses.

I disagree with her about most things but that doesn't mean she isn't right about fairness in women's sports.

I don't think many GC women are body shaming female athletes, are they?

Since Simone Biles is now a retired athlete, perhaps she can take on the task of creating transgender sporting categories herself, since female athletes who are still competing have got enough on their plates.

I'd like to see whether she changes her tune when she realises that trans people don't actually seem to want their own categories, and that using women's sports to validate their gender identities is the point.

But am saying SB isn't saying transwomen should be in women's sport but is supporting solutions like a transwomen category (and yes I know many in the trans community don't want this bit it's still what SB is suggesting here).

So you're thinking that there's no difference of opinion on policy, and it's just a pure personal attack?

Not sure that makes it sound any better.

I can understand Simone Biles not liking Riley Gaines’ political allegiances but, if that’s the real reason behind this, then the sensible thing would be to say so. Calling RG a sore loser and comparing her to a man discredits only of them, and it’s not Riley Gaines who comes out of it badly.

But then I’ve not got a Netflix doc about me coming up so maybe I’m just behind the times.

Probably the same number of all-around titles she'd have if it also required her to do rings and pommel horse.

Ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of a person who is unwilling or unable to engage with the ideas rather than the person.

Biles shows herself up by focusing on the personal rather than addressing issues.

Break down Biles message:

You’re truly sick, all of this campaigning because you lost a race.
It's not because RG lost a race. It's about a wide systematic attack on women's opportunities and rights that RG just happened to be one example of. Personal attack.

Straight up sore loser.
She's not a sore loser. She's seeing widespread injustice. It's not just about RG. Another personal attack.

You should be uplifting the trans community and perhaps finding a way to make sports inclusive OR creating a new avenue where trans feel safe in sports.
Why should RG be doing this? RG is only concerned about the integrity of women's sport. Why is it RGs responsibility? Why isn't SB taking on this responsibility given her high profile. She could do something positive rather than trash RG.

Maybe a transgender category IN ALL sports!!
If only we'd thought about this and suggested it before. Nice to keep up with the subject.

But instead… You bully them…
Pointing out the unfairness and injustice to women is NOT bullying. If you want to take the moral high ground about bullying, this isn't the way to do it.

One things for sure is no one in sports is safe with you around!!!!!"
What evidence is there for this? That's quite the accusation. That's potentially actionable in some places.

So disappointing. How many vault and floor titles would she have if men were allowed to compete with her?

Indeed. Simone has shown precisely zero incinlation to do any actual work on the subject herself.

To be fair it's ever been thus - admire the skills, talent and achievements and ignore the rest as you say.

Maybe she's allowed John Oliver control of her Twitter account.

Indeed.

It's like a trip back to 2018 or thereabouts with added nastiness.

Men who demand we call them women don't want a third category so as far as I'm concerned they compete in the male category or they don't compete at all, it's that simple.

Looks like I'll have to add Simone Biles's name to my list of people who I admire for their skills & achievements while having to ignore all the rest of their shit.

It no different to screaming TRAs at all. No basis in anything except trying to score points for herself. Absolutely unnecessary.

She’s either fully beclowned herself or allowed someone else to do it.