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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

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DrudgeJedd · 13/06/2025 12:20

Being dishonest again on Bluesky, he's put his own words in quotes after a link to the EHRC/TKDB judgement so it looks like he's actually quoting the judge. He then blocks anyone who points out how misleading this is, screenshot for when he gets round to blocking/deleting as usual.

Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets
OldCrone · 13/06/2025 03:26

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 23:42

Talking about "trans kids" or "transgender kids" is like calling those abused girls "child prostitutes ". It implies that nothing is wrong with what's being done to them.

Are you suggesting that children who are repeatedly raped have had nothing wrong done to them?

No.

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 23:42

Talking about "trans kids" or "transgender kids" is like calling those abused girls "child prostitutes ". It implies that nothing is wrong with what's being done to them.

Are you suggesting that children who are repeatedly raped have had nothing wrong done to them?

OldCrone · 12/06/2025 23:31

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 21:21

They are children who have been groomed and suffered medical abuse by transideologists. Calling them ‘child transsexuals’ is a bit like calling the abused girls in Rotherham ‘child prostitutes’

Not really. I see it more like calling abused girls "abused girls". A transsexual is someone who takes medication and/or has surgery so as to look like the opposite sex, which is exactly what's being done to these children.

Talking about "trans kids" or "transgender kids" is like calling those abused girls "child prostitutes ". It implies that nothing is wrong with what's being done to them.

Try talking to a TRA about transsexual children and see what sort of reaction you get.

"Children who have been groomed and suffered medical abuse by transideologists", while an accurate description, is a bit of a long-winded way to refer to them every time you talk about them.

MarieDeGournay · 12/06/2025 23:22

Children aren't trans anything.
But children can be gender-questioning and/or gender-non-conforming, and therefore vulnerable to being 'transed'.

Bannedontherun · 12/06/2025 21:57

@Dwimmer spot on i doubt i will live to see the day that this is recognised as a crime.

i am just thankful my children grew up without this and that my grandchildren will be safe from this ideology.,

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 21:21

They are children who have been groomed and suffered medical abuse by transideologists. Calling them ‘child transsexuals’ is a bit like calling the abused girls in Rotherham ‘child prostitutes’

illinivich · 12/06/2025 21:15

We need to define which children we are talking about, and what is being done to them.

Even if they have no surgery or medication until 18, they have been groomed into believing this is their path since childhood. Its not as if they suddenly develop insight at 18.

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 20:47

What do you think the best term is?

’children’

OldCrone · 12/06/2025 20:11

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 17:25

Calling them ‘transexual’ legitimises the term. They are no such thing.

What do you think the best term is? I'm open to suggestions and I'm prepared to reconsider my own view.

Some TRAs have been very open about how children are being used by their movement. One of them, Autumn Sandeen, said: “I’ve always said there are two groups that are going to make change in transgender legislation and the “gender identity and expression” related language in legislation. It’s going to be trans youth because they take, you know, they demystify it and take the sex right out of the trans experience.” (Unfortunately the youtube video of him saying this was taken down a few years ago.)

I think 'sex' should be put right back in there. These children are being used as pawns by a men's right movement and sexual fetishists.

There's more about this on Miranda Yardley's site.
A Full Life Uninterrupted By Transition - Miranda Yardley

Yardley says this about the term transsexual:
The word “transsexual” is more tightly defined, being someone who undertakes a surgical, medical and social transition in order to attempt to live permanently as a member of the sex opposite to which they are born.

This describes children who are caught up in this ideology more than it does adults. Most adults have no medical treatment. Children are always pushed towards puberty blockers and then other treatment as they get older. Many of these children actually believe they can change sex. This makes them 'transsexual' rather than 'transgender', which has the feel of something which is just a cutesy dressing up game or simply not conforming to gender stereotypes.

I'm sure if we started talking about "child transsexuals" rather than "trans kids" a lot more people would be asking questions about what's going on.

A Full Life Uninterrupted By Transition - Miranda Yardley

I look in detail at the different types of transgendered behaviours, and this was my contributon to the book 'Transgender Children and Young People', published by Cambridge Scholars. Since then, the phenomena of 'Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria' has gaine...

https://mirandayardley.com/en/a-full-life-uninterrupted-by-transition/

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2025 18:23

Keeptoiletssafe · 12/06/2025 18:15

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmcomloc/636/636.pdf

This is a government report on the provision of public toilets published 2008. No mention of gender neutral toilets. Lots of mention of gender - clearly as the ‘old fashioned’ way of using it to mean sex. You can easily tell that from the way it talks about urinals for men etc. There’s also no discussion of T in the LGB. This is only 13 years before Stonewall were mentioned in 67% of the consultation responses for the public toilet consultation, where 83% were apparently in favour of ‘non-gendered’ toilets. This led to bizarre results like only 2% of people being in favour of disabled toilets.

There is lots about cottaging etc and it is matter of fact. There is no suggestion people had a need to be in opposite sex toilets or it would have been a point of discussion.

Since then in the next 10 years, toilets suddenly became about more than they had been before. It shows just how quickly this has happened to the point, in the EHRC consultation, that there’s the new example where they state single sex toilets are best for safety and comfort but actually forget that because we are going to do something else instead…

Considering how difficult it is still to get good toilet provision for people with disabilities, to get to this point, so quickly, it really is mind-blowing.

If you asked ChatGPT for a plan to reverse the loosening of the urinary leash in a way that masked it's anti-women agenda, it would have invented TRAs.

In fact I can't be so sure it didn't. You could run LLMs on HPC estates in the noughties ....

Keeptoiletssafe · 12/06/2025 18:15

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmcomloc/636/636.pdf

This is a government report on the provision of public toilets published 2008. No mention of gender neutral toilets. Lots of mention of gender - clearly as the ‘old fashioned’ way of using it to mean sex. You can easily tell that from the way it talks about urinals for men etc. There’s also no discussion of T in the LGB. This is only 13 years before Stonewall were mentioned in 67% of the consultation responses for the public toilet consultation, where 83% were apparently in favour of ‘non-gendered’ toilets. This led to bizarre results like only 2% of people being in favour of disabled toilets.

There is lots about cottaging etc and it is matter of fact. There is no suggestion people had a need to be in opposite sex toilets or it would have been a point of discussion.

Since then in the next 10 years, toilets suddenly became about more than they had been before. It shows just how quickly this has happened to the point, in the EHRC consultation, that there’s the new example where they state single sex toilets are best for safety and comfort but actually forget that because we are going to do something else instead…

Considering how difficult it is still to get good toilet provision for people with disabilities, to get to this point, so quickly, it really is mind-blowing.

Dwimmer · 12/06/2025 17:25

OldCrone · 12/06/2025 15:37

And you've missed my point.

Calling them ‘transexual’ legitimises the term. They are no such thing.

SerendipityJane · 12/06/2025 16:24

Tallisker · 12/06/2025 10:35

Is his reading comprehension impaired? He states no explanation was given as to why EHRC staff were not attending the office, yet in the passage he quotes it says quite clearly that they’re not attending as a direct result of the protests. Not very bright.

Boris Johnson (waving his arm across an sea of journalists) :

"There are no journalists here"

OldCrone · 12/06/2025 15:37

Dwimmer · 11/06/2025 14:31

Those children aren’t transsexual, they are mislead

And you've missed my point.

Tallisker · 12/06/2025 10:35

Is his reading comprehension impaired? He states no explanation was given as to why EHRC staff were not attending the office, yet in the passage he quotes it says quite clearly that they’re not attending as a direct result of the protests. Not very bright.

DrudgeJedd · 12/06/2025 10:20

He's straight up lying on Bluesky. Claiming the protesters have "no history of violence" erm weren't six of the Scottish branch arrested & 1 charged with assault last month?
Also the "history of peaceful protest" doesn't square with their cricket stunt last year, and he's still lying by omission about his children being involved.

Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets
Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets
SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 14:51

I wonder if rather than opposing the TRAs, the best way to neutralise them is not only agree with them, but agree fiercely ?

The science about changing species needs to be investigated and funded further, surely ? Otherwise furries are just sad losers poncing around like they'd fallen into a primary school dressing up box. What about their rights ?

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/25222180.southampton-meeting-leaves-got-news-bemused/

Panellists on hit BBC One show left bemused at Southampton council meeting

The hit BBC One show Have I Got News For You's panellists were left bemused after watching clips from Southampton's "interspecies" meeting.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/25222180.southampton-meeting-leaves-got-news-bemused/

Dwimmer · 11/06/2025 14:31

OldCrone · 11/06/2025 12:58

I use transsexual for the children who have been caught up in this because those children are being told that they can change sex, and medical treatment is always promoted for those children. No, they can't change sex, but they think they can, so they think they are transsexual. I also use it partly because I would like the people who promote this ideology to children to think about what they are actually promoting and how they are sexualising children.

I agree that transvestite is the most appropriate term for most adult males who identify as 'trans', because most of them don't have any medical treatment and their only claim to being 'trans' is that they like wearing women's clothing. The ones who do have cosmetic medical treatment are just taking transvestism to an extreme.

Those children aren’t transsexual, they are mislead

OldCrone · 11/06/2025 12:58

GreenFriedTomato · 10/06/2025 01:28

I agree..what I see before me is a transvestite, plain and simple. The gender is only in your head and as I have no idea what's happening there, nor do I believe in gender identity, transvestite is how I'll call it.
I don't like transexual as that implies you can transition from one sex to another. Transitioning from one gender to another would be possible if you believe in that sort of thing.

I use transsexual for the children who have been caught up in this because those children are being told that they can change sex, and medical treatment is always promoted for those children. No, they can't change sex, but they think they can, so they think they are transsexual. I also use it partly because I would like the people who promote this ideology to children to think about what they are actually promoting and how they are sexualising children.

I agree that transvestite is the most appropriate term for most adult males who identify as 'trans', because most of them don't have any medical treatment and their only claim to being 'trans' is that they like wearing women's clothing. The ones who do have cosmetic medical treatment are just taking transvestism to an extreme.

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:31

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/06/2025 12:08

Well the right to life isn’t qualified, is it?

Not if you are killed in self defence. No penalty for your death then.

Which as I understand it is what free speech enthusiasts want. The ability to act without any consequences.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 11/06/2025 12:08

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:08

And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified

They are all qualified.

Well the right to life isn’t qualified, is it?

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2025 12:08

And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified

They are all qualified.

ThatsNotMyTeen · 10/06/2025 22:39

TheOtherRaven · 07/06/2025 09:49

Their issue is, that it is not only trans identified men who have human rights and a right to privacy.

They cannot and will never see that. But a court looking at human rights will have to. As Reindoft keeps telling them 'other people have rights'. And frankly this is what the human rights act is for - to prevent the most powerful, well funded and entirely selfish groups taking everything for themselves regardless of others. To stand up for those who are dismissed as worthless and not entitled to equality.

Like women.

Edited

Well quite. And other than the obvious ones - right to life, protection from torture etc - most human rights are qualified and not absolute. So even if there is a legal right to change gender/certificated sex (which there is) it doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll extend to people with sex change certificates getting sll
the rights of actual women. As the Supreme Court more or less said

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/06/2025 22:32

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 12:19

The only guidance possible is to follow it, surely ?

You’d think.