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Good Law Practice launch a EHCR/Supreme Court challenge over toilets

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fromorbit · 07/06/2025 07:38

After raising over 418K it turns out the GLP's amazing legal case is all about toilets. Details:

https://archive.is/TWRTl

No doubt it will fail like most of their previous legal cases.

Previous thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

Good Law Project suing the EHRC and Bridget Phillipson - letter before action | Mumsnet

Sorry if this has already been shared - here are the links to their letter and statement. Looking forward to the Mumsnet analysis :-) [[https://good...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5336208-good-law-project-suing-the-ehrc-and-bridget-phillipson-letter-before-action?page=1

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MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:38

From TT

We have been refused permission to live tweet. The GLP objected on the grounds of the anonymity order in place related to 3 of their IPs. We will take notes and report.
Will publish at first break.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:36

From TT

SM - Sex Matters, human rights charity
Scheduled start is 10:30 - standing room only in the courtroom now.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:35

Madcats · 12/11/2025 10:29

Are you going to do the honours, Myrtle? Hope the antibiotics are doing their stuff.

I'm going to try because Nick Wallis is also tweeting a tribunal with Naomi Cunningham for Sara Morrison v Belfast Film Festival.

All good mostly but a slightly worrying blood test yesterday. The multidisciplinary team are meeting today and I have a call tomorrow to let me know if they want more tests.

Madcats · 12/11/2025 10:29

Are you going to do the honours, Myrtle? Hope the antibiotics are doing their stuff.

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:21

From TT

The parties are in the courtroom (Court 1 RCJ) and the spectator section is full. There are a number of parties; the GLP, EHRC, Bridget Phillipson as the Women and Equalities Minister and several intervenors including Sex Matters.

There are a number of barristers, we are unlikely to get all the names correct, especially if we live tweet but will do our best. We are wondering about the correct collective noun for barristers.

Still waiting on permission to live tweet.

Abbreviations, just in case.
J – Mr Justice Swift
JC - Joanne Clement KC, EHRC
AG – Alex Goodman, KC, GLP
SS – Single sex
TW – transwoman, male iden(fies as a woman
TM – transman, female, iden(fies as a man
EA – Equality Act 2010

1992 Regs – 1992 Workplace Regula(ons
HRA – Human Rights Act
EHRC – Equality & Human Rights Commission
ECHR – European Conven(on on Human Rights
GRA – Gender Recogni(on Act
PMOALA – propor(onate means of achieving a legi(mate aim
MLF – my learned friend

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:14

From TT

We are at the Royal Courts of Justice to report on the Good Law Project vs the King, et all. We are hoping for permission to live tweet, if not we will report as a narrative at breaks.

Our previous coverage of the preliminary hearing can be found here:
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/good-law-project-and-others-vs-the

The Good Law Project (GLP) and 3 other persons not identified (OPs) are seeking a judicial review of the Interim Update issued by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) on 25 April 2025. At the previous hearing.

Mr Justice Swift did not grant permission for judicial review. However, he gave the claimants advice on how to revise their pleadings and resubmit them. Today is the first day or a 2 day 'roll up' hearing combining permission for the JR with the JR hearing, if necessary.

Good Law Project & others vs the EHRC & B Phillipson, Women and Equalities Minister

Application for judicial review of EHRC Interim Update

https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/good-law-project-and-others-vs-the

MyrtleLion · 12/11/2025 10:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2025 15:16

Yes I think it is tomorrow. Is anyone going to live tweet do you know?

I've just seen that TT are asking for permission.

I'm pasting from.Sara Morrison v Belfast Film Festival, but Nick Wallis isn't as prolific as TT.

I'll see what I can do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2025 19:08

Not sure, I guess we will find out tomorrow!

spannasaurus · 11/11/2025 18:49

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2025 18:37

I think they’ve rolled up a decision on whether the case should be heard at all with hearing the case, so as I understand it there will first be arguments to consider the case’s legitimacy, then if granted the substantive evidence will be heard etc.

That's how I understand it.

Although I'm not clear how the case will run. Do they hear the evidence about whether there's a proceedable case, make a decision them move onto the substantive evidence if they decide it will proceed or do they hear all evidence before making a decision whether there is a case to be made.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2025 18:37

spannasaurus · 11/11/2025 18:20

It's the same case. They've been to court but the case was deferred until now. I think that the problem at the original hearing was that GLP hadn't brought a legally arguable case

I think they’ve rolled up a decision on whether the case should be heard at all with hearing the case, so as I understand it there will first be arguments to consider the case’s legitimacy, then if granted the substantive evidence will be heard etc.

IwantToRetire · 11/11/2025 18:27

spannasaurus · 11/11/2025 18:20

It's the same case. They've been to court but the case was deferred until now. I think that the problem at the original hearing was that GLP hadn't brought a legally arguable case

Thanks. They should really have dated it or linked to something.

spannasaurus · 11/11/2025 18:20

IwantToRetire · 11/11/2025 17:34

Is this about this case? Or does it refer to another one? Confused

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/ehrc-comment-judicial-review-challenge-brought-good-law-project

(Its not dated)

It's the same case. They've been to court but the case was deferred until now. I think that the problem at the original hearing was that GLP hadn't brought a legally arguable case

IwantToRetire · 11/11/2025 17:34

Is this about this case? Or does it refer to another one? Confused

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/ehrc-comment-judicial-review-challenge-brought-good-law-project

(Its not dated)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2025 15:16

Yes I think it is tomorrow. Is anyone going to live tweet do you know?

DrudgeJedd · 11/11/2025 11:22

This is happening tomorrow isn't it?
Busy week for him as I think he'll be getting his letter before action from Sarah Phillimore too. Not to mention his wife being coms director of a water company that recently dumped millions of plastic pellets on Camber beach (no GLP media posts strangely enough, even though taking on Big Water is one of their favourite grifts)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/11/2025 21:00

Yes, that’s right. TRA Reddit and BlueSky will be pleased.

moto748e · 05/11/2025 19:08

Is this the same case that Sex Matters has just been given permission to intervene in?

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/sex-matters-intervenes-on-single-sex-services-guidance/?mc_cid=5ca07ebb77

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/07/2025 18:49

Brainworm · 05/07/2025 13:57

I agree.

There appears to be something I’ve posted, or the manner in which I’ve posted, that gives the impression that my positioning requires women to act or behave in certain ways. I don’t think this.

My posts are about how frustrated I get by what I believe to be a refusal to understand why women are distressed by the inclusion of males in female only provision because I can understand the distress transwomen experienced by their exclusion.

i also think a lot of trans people channel their feelings into wanting what they can’t have and hating people who stand in their way, who are mostly women, because it stops them having to deal with the reality of their lives.

Bannedontherun · 05/07/2025 17:08

Empathising with delusional thinking, is not empathy it is cruel, and dishonest.

TheOtherRaven · 05/07/2025 17:05

That a man is deeply distressed by a woman - say Sandie Peggie to take a current case fully evidenced - being upset and unwilling to take her period-flooded clothes off in front of him, because he at least says the distress is the rejection and denial of the womanhood he desires so much?

is not the woman's problem.

The man is going to have to learn with a good therapist how to deal with that distress a great deal more appropriately and to cope with other people's boundaries.

Compare the equality and reasonability of the two positions here.

  1. I demand that you learn to cope with and get on with taking your clothes off for me to gratify my distress/pysche and any other parts of me that would benefit. I need you to provide your body and not be able to refuse consent. (Police involvement has happened when women have refused.)
  2. There are two other facilities for this available to you, I need this one to be able to have access. Please just tolerate that you cannot control this one, which effectively means you control and choose from all the resources leaving me with nothing, and stay with the people who consent.
TheOtherRaven · 05/07/2025 16:58

Brainworm · 05/07/2025 13:51

I agree with you, and most of the responses to my posts.

I am struggling to understand the either/or positioning that is presented in them.

I don’t think understanding how and why someone is distressed means you need to take any action, including showing care or empathy.

I'd start by asking is this a reciprocal social contract? With equal expectations?

Because I think you're positing some people as carers and some as rather infantilised and helpless recipients of care.

Is it going to be men without trans identities doing this caring work?

Is this contract and set of expectations equal, and how healthy is it if not?

Isn't this #bekind? How sensitized have women become to this phrase and what's the reasons and experiences that sensitized them? Was that phrase used in a manipulative way to gain reluctant consent and labour? To lower boundaries and permit what they otherwise wouldn't have done?

I don't think many here are talking about teenaged vulnerable girls with Autism, we're talking about the kind of men you can find on many threads here. Two in the past 24 hours for example, one of whom discussed their imagined response of flashing, a sexual assault, on non consenting women in toilets to punish them for non compliance, and the other of whom is hinting heavily about how women wanting privacy, dignity, rights, tolerance, are being discussed on a voice chat with their messages in a rather sinister way, with absolute derision. Women have been raped, assaulted, beaten up, excluded, in the name of well intentioned but compulsory indulgence of these men - and those women were sent to indulge and get the consequences , those setting the policies weren't taking those risks or having those experiences themselves.

The last elephant in the room in all this is that for many adult men transitioners, this is largely a sexual experience, and the use of women as resources and props within that experience is crucial. Hence the absolute rage when those props won't co operate, and the desire to gain the non consenting ones. As a psychologist you'll be well aware of the criminal psychology basics of how the distress or anger or emotions and reactions of a victim increase excitement, it's 101 armchair stuff these days. Two minutes on Terfisaslur.com shows the degree of pathology and disturbance involved for not some, not a few, many.

How healthy is it, honestly, to say to a woman when confronted with a man who has already declared what he thinks of her, her boundaries, her equality and her purpose in this experience of his by walking into a single sex space, that her first thought should be sympathy and understanding for him? Why is he entitled to that energy and head space from her? Why should she lower her guard and instincts, and extend this trust and caring role?

It's lovely for him, yes. What does it give her? Other than how lovely it is to be nice? At least until he hurts you.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/07/2025 14:51

Dwimmer · 05/07/2025 14:46

And how many have comorbid conditions like autism? Or are same sex attracted? Or suffered child abuse?

That was rather my point. The problem for women is male AGPs invading female spaces not autistic same sex attracted girls who have suffered sexual abuse with whom one can easily empathise.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/07/2025 14:47

Brainworm · 05/07/2025 14:02

OK, I’ll bow out here. I thought, I still think, my contributions are related but that seems to reflect a misunderstanding on my side.

It may be that I’m missing something, or I’m failing to communicate my point adequately.

I’ll reflect on it some more.

I think that you are missing the point that the teens & young adults that you see are not the middle aged male AGPs that everyone else is discussing.

Dwimmer · 05/07/2025 14:46

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/07/2025 14:43

So the transsexuals that you see are not the middle-aged male AGPs that cause so much of the distress.
What is the sex mix of your patients?

And how many have comorbid conditions like autism? Or are same sex attracted? Or suffered child abuse?

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