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Remarkably sensible article in the Guardian!

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NImumconfused · 05/06/2025 09:53

Seems like the kind of thing you might have got in the Observer a year or two ago, but not the Grauniad.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/05/generational-divide-views-sex-gender-britain

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Merrymouse · 05/06/2025 11:36

Very much agree with the premise of the article, and can’t understand why any rational person would disagree.

Keenovay · 05/06/2025 11:17

She's succinct on about why permitting gender identity to override sex, is sexist - because doing so disadvantages women more than it does men. Taking that one for my swag bag..

MounjaroMounjaro · 05/06/2025 11:03

That's a hell of a joke, that they want to call on science!

nettie434 · 05/06/2025 10:57

You beat me to posting this, @NImumconfused. Like other posters, I was expecting something different. It's an excellent article and, by pointing out the rise of misogyny among a sizeable group of younger men, I think Susanna Rustin has shown a major flaw in the 'right side of history argument'.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/06/2025 10:55

Greyskybluesky · 05/06/2025 10:50

Reddit transgender UK is having a little meltdown about this terribly "transphobic" article 😂

Quote: Another unstudied writer believing her own non empirically observed 'facts' and believing it is 'science'

Bless, they thought the Guardian was their friend but it's stabbed them in the back

Another unstudied writer believing her own non empirically observed 'facts' and believing it is 'science'

Without a trace of irony.

Greyskybluesky · 05/06/2025 10:50

Reddit transgender UK is having a little meltdown about this terribly "transphobic" article 😂

Quote: Another unstudied writer believing her own non empirically observed 'facts' and believing it is 'science'

Bless, they thought the Guardian was their friend but it's stabbed them in the back

Beowulfa · 05/06/2025 10:25

RoyalCorgi · 05/06/2025 10:17

Really good article, but I agree with PPs, Susanna Rustin is a lone voice of reason at the Guardian. God knows how she copes while surrounded by lunatics.

A colleague of mine has a mug with an image of someone sat at their desk with head in hands and the caption I'M SURROUNDED BY IDIOTS AND I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE.

I've also seen a baseball cap with the job title SHITSHOW SUPERVISOR that I could buy for a few people I know....

RoyalCorgi · 05/06/2025 10:17

Really good article, but I agree with PPs, Susanna Rustin is a lone voice of reason at the Guardian. God knows how she copes while surrounded by lunatics.

QAOPspaceman · 05/06/2025 10:15

I think Susanna Rustin has always been quite good on this, they just hardly ever let her write about it. I still can’t believe how the Guardian sold out its pro-women writers. Maybe now reality is back on the table they could do a Woman’s Hour and at least interview some

MoistVonL · 05/06/2025 10:15

Susanna Rustin had been excellent on women’s rights throughout this whole debacle from the beginning. God knows how she manages to remain at the Guardian when others have been hounded out for saying the same. It’s a credit to her resilience.

And she’s absolutely right, of course. Motherhood- in fact, even earlier, just deciding to have children - really brings home the sexual inequality and need for women’s rights; then peri menopause comes along to bludgeon us with that inequality even more.

When I was younger I thought things were much more ticketty boo for women than they turned out to be. Battles I thought we’d won were more precarious, regress more temporary than my youthful optimism believed.

Lammy’s wrong - we aren’t dinosaurs, we’re scarred and battle hardened. And we’re not giving up.

NImumconfused · 05/06/2025 10:15

I must admit when I read the first paragraph or two I thought it was going to be the usual Guardian preaching about young people being so much more open minded and tolerant than us old buddies, was very glad (as well as surprised) to see it wasn't!

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Lovelyview · 05/06/2025 10:04

That is an excellent article, thank you for sharing. So glad that the Guardian appears to have taken on board some of the feedback I'm sure it has been getting from its readers (I have definitely fed back some choice opinions over the last year or two).