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Medical report leaked that ‘proves Imane Khelif is biological male’

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Brefugee · 02/06/2025 08:40

Interesting. (sorry if there is already a thread, i couldn't see one). Here's the archive link

archive.today/I2v6g

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heathspeedwell · 02/06/2025 10:02

I read this morning that Lin Yu Ting, the Taiwanese male boxer, is making money advertising period products in Taiwan.
These men will never admit they are men. It's like Caster Semenya saying that having testicles doesn't make him 'less of a woman'.
They will always find people who just don't care about women, or fairness, who are ready to support these men.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 02/06/2025 10:02

Yeah that's what I thought, IOC are going to do SFA about this.

SunnieShine · 02/06/2025 09:58

No shit, Sherlock

Brefugee · 02/06/2025 09:56

Worth noting what John Pike has said on Twix:

I know some of you have, but what people need to get their heads around now, is: IOC policy allowed - and still allows - some males to compete in the female category. It's not the case that IK and the Algerian OC somehow pulled the wool over their eyes.

The IOC can't say "Well, if we knew this then, we would have acted differently." Not only did they know this, but XY eligibility was - and is - explicitly allowed by the Framework Document.

So the important, and mind-boggling thing is, this huge news changes nothing. The situation is so bad that sex tests make no difference at all to sex eligibility at the IOC

All the talk about IBA corruption was just beside-the-point bluster, because karyotype tests didn't count for anything. It didn't matter that Khelif was XY.

Because, remember, the rule was 'passport sex'.

And, in the Framework Document, still IOC policy, it still is the rule. True, all the big Feds are implicitly ignoring it, and the two architects of the Document, Dr Richard Budgett and Dr Madeline Pape, have both left their jobs in Lausanne. So there is some hope.

But whatever you do, don't let the IOC off the hook by blaming 'Algerian cheats.'

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Helleofabore · 02/06/2025 09:56

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a couple of other countries’ Olympic female boxers quietly retiring now, too. I don’t believe Taiwan and Algeria would have been alone in sending male people with masculinising DSDs to box at Paris. It was too good an opportunity.

QuetzalTerfLus · 02/06/2025 09:43

Interesting that Honduras and Peru boxing federations clearly see the issue. The “early adopters” like South Africa for Semenya, Algeria for Khelif and Taiwan have got their medals but it’s surely obvious that all countries will scout males with DSDs if the current “Female on passport” rules stand. Shocking and shameful that this wasn’t sorted out after Semenya first won an Olympic medal but I guess the optics of women being punched in the face by bio males is enough to galvanise many people… Kirsty Coventry, all eyes on you!

Imdunfer · 02/06/2025 09:37

IOC knew for a year and still let a male punch a woman. Shame on them.

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atoo · 02/06/2025 09:05

DragonRunor · 02/06/2025 08:48

Good, so now the IOC can annul the results in Paris, and sincerely apologise to all the women involved - while hoping that they don’t get sued

I don't think this makes any difference, sadly.

The IOC's position was that the eligibility requirement for female boxing was an F on a passport, and that biological sex was irrelevant. Imane Khelif had the required passport, so was eligible to compete.

They considered the possibility of him being male to be irrelevant, and will similarly consider the fact of him being male to be irrelevant.

Maybe in 20 years there might be a retraction and an apology. But it will require all of this to be ancient history first.

SillyMillie90 · 02/06/2025 09:04

It was obvious from the moment he got in his coach’s shoulders. That is something a woman would not do or be allowed to do in that culture. They all knew, they cheated and thought they’d get away with it.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSportsIsBack · 02/06/2025 09:03

Excellent. Now bets on whether the IOC are going to do anything about this.

Hoardasurass · 02/06/2025 09:01

Brilliant thank you for posting this

OverlyFragrant · 02/06/2025 08:55

A show of hands from anyone surprised.

Anyone???

No me neither.

DragonRunor · 02/06/2025 08:48

Good, so now the IOC can annul the results in Paris, and sincerely apologise to all the women involved - while hoping that they don’t get sued

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