Medical report leaked that ‘proves Imane Khelif is biological male’

Well they were only women, after all.

My understanding of the leaked test report is that IK has what appear to be structurally normal XY chromosomes.
If IK had a translocated SRY gene (the sex determining part of the Y chromosome) then IK result profile would say XX and again would appear normal at that level of testing (ie not sequencing the genome).
Therefore IK if the test says XY then IK must have a male (XY) DSD that meant at birth there was ambiguity around sex based on external appearances of genitalia enough to think IK was female. Until higher levels of T from the internal testes start producing some masculinisation during puberty.
The fact this has happened means most likely IK has 5 ARD, a genetic change that means naturally occurring T is not metabolised to the more potent dihdrotesosterone (DHT) enough before birth to produce a “normal” male genital appearance before birth but due to high circulating T in puberty can metabolise enough to produce some male secondary sexual characteristics. Interestingly it’s usually a lack of male pattern hair growth that is noticeable.

It's crazy that people are allowed to change their passport sex too, but here we are.

This is a website for a charity that supports families & children living w a difference of sex development. The teens page has a good condition specifuc guide to puberty & growing up w a DSD. Khelif's alleged condition, 5-ARD, is in the 'For Guys' section. dsdfamilies.org/charity

Darn it MNHQ, give us back our 😂 reaction emoji!!
This post deserved it😂

Thanks. It's an interesting subject

Sorry just saw the above explanation

People with 5ARD or any masculinising DSD have no ovaries. They have testes so no periods. And no female breast development.

Hence, when the coach puts their hand on Khelif’s chest on live TV, it is not on a female breast. Which would have caused a melt down in media if a male coach did this to a female boxer on TV.

I understood then that very few people believed that Khelif was a female person.

Sorry to ask a stupid question but do people with the DSD that IK has develop any of the usual female characteristics such as breasts or periods? It's absolutely crazy that he was allowed to enter based on his passport! I can't get my head round why there isn't mandatory sex testing, especially in a sport like this.

yeah. IK doesn't look like she has CAIS.

i might surmise that the NWSL player Racheal Kundananji has it - she wasn't allowed to play in an African tournament after failing a sex test, but unlike her team mate Barbra Banda [first pic], who seems to be just a man, RK [second pic] looks entirely female.

https://sports.yahoo.com/two-women-football-players-abnormally-164504361.html

And in other news, bears shit in the woods.

Ooh! Ooh! Miss! Miss! I know! I know!

CAIS women have normally-sized breasts (development during puberty is driven by aromatised endogenous T, or by exogenous O if the testes have been removed) (but bizarrely seem never to get breast cancer).

Indeed. And to put a stop to any deliberate scouting of a male athlete who has a masculinising DSD.

I suspect that in time, female athletes will have an issue for a group of athletes who have even the male advantage of their skeletal proportions (including in many, height) and no menstrual cycle that have been diagnosed as CAIS. At the moment though, there is not yet the peer reviewed papers to support exclusion.

As female people are nearing the maximum potential of the female body with current training techniques, I cannot imagine that any competitive advantage that comes from having a male difference in sex development will not be heavily scrutinised and discussed.

Women w Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) are XY w an SRY gene but, because their bodies can't respond to testosterone, they develop along a female pathway. It's not tracked, but there is speculation that CAIS women may be more common in elite sport. The classic CAIS presentation confers some possible legitimate sporting advantages: long limbs, little breast development, no menstrual cycle. I don't have an issue w these XY SRY positive people competing as women, but 5-ARD is v different.

The claim that
"On-site gender verification has since been found to be highly discriminatory, and the cause of emotional trauma and social stigmatization for many females with problems of intersex who have been screened out from competition"
[for 'gender' read 'sex' , for 'female' read 'male', and for 'intersex' read 'DSD']

is not a good argument to stop testing, it is an argument to test early so that any genuine cases of DSD where young males were identified as female at birth and brought up as girls are not allowed participate in girls'/women's sports to start with.
Then they will not be 'traumatised and stigmatised' by getting as far as the Olympics before being tested and identified as male and 'screened out'.

Screen early and often!

Sharron Davies and all the other women who swam against, and lost to the East German women who were taking testosterone in the 1980 Olympics have never had any recognition or restitution, sadly. Even though that scandal broke many years ago.

And their cheating was enabled by no less than the IOC President, Thomas Bach, let’s see how the new incumbent, Kirsty Coventry responds to this.

’Coventry has pledged to introduce a blanket ban on transgender women competing in female Olympic competition, insisting that she will protect women athletes and that fairness and safety are paramount.
But critics have pointed out that she was also a member of the IOC's executive board when it allowed two boxers who had reportedly failed gender eligibility tests to compete in the women's boxing competition at the Paris 2024 Olympics.’

@Helleofabore that's interesting, I knew they didn't GAF about women (their reaction at the Olympics proved that) and were likely going to do sweet fuck all about this, but I didn't know they were actively prioritising men in women's sports, that's sick (and not in the way the cool kids use it).

Oho, good point. This Khelif is a slippery character alright...

Arne Ljungqvist was instrumental in convincing the IOC to allow these male people to enter female sports categories.

https://www.olympics.com/ioc/prof-arne-ljungqvist

Considering how instrumental the Karolinska Institute has been in providing the evidence that no male people should be included in female sports categories with Tommy Lundberg. I have to wonder what Ljungqvist thinks of his own achievements now and whether he would have made the same decisions.

Anyone else absolutely incandescent with rage at this?

They knew he was a man and they didn’t give a Fuck. Misogyny at its finest!

Tell us something we didn't know!

The IOC has prioritised these male athletes since before the Sydney 2000 games. This is one of the papers they published about it.

www.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

Louis J. Elsas ,MD' , Arne Ljungqvist, MD', Malcolm A. Ferguson-Smith, MA,FRCP, JoeLeigh Simpson, MD', Myron Genel, MD5, Alison S. Carlson ,BA, Elizabeth Ferris, MBBS', Albert de la Chapelle, MD, Anke A. Ehrhardt, phD

"On-site gender verification has since been found to be highly discriminatory, and the cause of emotional trauma and social stigmatization for many females with problems of intersex who have been screened out from competition. Despite compelling evidence for the lack of scientific merit for chromosome-based screening for gender, as well as its functional and ethical inconsistencies, the IOC persisted in its policy for 30 years."
"The coauthors of this manuscript have worked with some success to rescind this policy through educating athletes and sports governors regarding the psychological and physical nature of sexual differentiation, and the inequities of genetic sex testing."

Specific dates leading up to the cessation of sex testing were:

1992 - Dr. Arne Ljungqvist becomes a member of the IOC and continue5 to date an educational program to inform the IOC about scientific and
ethical issues related to laboratory-based gender verification.

1996 - Most major professional medical societies have passed resolutions against chromosome-based gender screening in sports.

1996-1997 - IOC World Congress on Woman and Sport passes a resolution to abandon gender verification at the Olympics. Women's Sports Foundation
publishes a policy statement against blanket chromosome screening in support of IAAF model. The Norwegian parliament outlaws gender verification in sport. The IOC Medical Commission is unconvinced and the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games is contractually committed to on-site, laboratory-based, gender veritication of all female althletes competing in women's events.

1997-1998 - Arguments for and against change are presented to the IOC Athlete5 Commission by Professor A. Liungqvist and Dr. B. Dingeon, respectively. Prince de Merode and Dr. Hay argue for their original policy of blanket gender verification at IOC-sponsored sporting events. Athletes
Commission nonetheless calls for the discontinuation of the present system and rccommenda replacing it with a "reserve clause" system based on IOC Medical Commission intervention on an individualized basis, following scientific and ethical guidelines.

1999 - IOC Executive Board accepts unanimous recommendations of its Athletes Commission. Blanket gender verification screening of all female
athletes will not be conducted at the 2000 Millennia1 Games in Sydney, on a conditional basis for later review.

Importantly, for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics they surveyed the female athletes and found:

"At the time of testing, all female athletes at the Atlanta Games were offered a questionnaire written in both English and French asking whether in their view testing of females should be continued in future Olympics and whether or not
they were made anxious by the testing procedure. Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued and 94% indicated that they were not made anxious by the procedure. Forty-six athletes were made "anxious" by the testing requirements that preceded their competitive events.
No males were found to masquerade as females, and all females who were found to be SRY positive competed."

"Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued"

They didn't listen to female athletes it seems.