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LGBT Libdems demand puberty blockers for children, and no chemical castration

87 replies

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 07:39

https://archive.ph/Uyjgl

Statement for Pride month. Under the auspices of bodily autonomy.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/06/2025 07:54

AlexandraLeaving · 02/06/2025 07:53

I think they are unlikely to meet the normal definition of “clearly”.

Or of men and women

AlexandraLeaving · 02/06/2025 07:53

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 07:41

'clearly set out trans-inclusive definitions of ‘man’ and ‘woman’'

I would genuinely be interested to see these definitions.

I think they are unlikely to meet the normal definition of “clearly”.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/06/2025 07:52

Obviously this is the usual nonsense from the Lib Dem’s but why “trans folks”?? Why do they insist on wanting to sound theyre just like some good ol small town American ‘trans folks just like all folks y’all’. This is not an episode of mr fucking Ed

sorry I know this is 100% not the point of the thread but as it’s the Lib Dem’s I knew it would be the standard fuck wittery anyway

SocksShmocks · 02/06/2025 07:52

Possibly off topic but I see the use of ‘folks’ a lot in these kind of statements. Why ‘folks’ rather than ‘people’? Is there a context / subtlety of meaning I don’t understand? To me ‘folks’ sounds twee, like you’re trying to get people on their feet for a barn dance: ‘come on folks!’

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 02/06/2025 07:51

Crouton19 · 02/06/2025 07:47

How convenient for their donor, Ferring Pharmaceuticals.

Wow, really?

They sound absolutely bonkers, these folx.

Crouton19 · 02/06/2025 07:47

How convenient for their donor, Ferring Pharmaceuticals.

orangegato · 02/06/2025 07:47

Men in women’s prisons did for auld Sturgey and it’ll be the end of them too.

They can crack on, it won’t stand up to any type of scrutiny. Fuckwits.

PermanentTemporary · 02/06/2025 07:45

Oh I see, it's a group within the party. I guess the fight goes on.

PermanentTemporary · 02/06/2025 07:45

I think that's good that they've made a clear policy. Tricky for the large cohort of gender-critical Lib Dems but the fight that's been going on behind the scenes is exhausting and eventually one of the groups had to prevail.

pontefractals · 02/06/2025 07:42

Do they even realise they're talking about the same sort of drugs in both cases? Too bad for criminals, but absolutely perfect for confused children?

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 07:41

'clearly set out trans-inclusive definitions of ‘man’ and ‘woman’'

I would genuinely be interested to see these definitions.

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ArabellaScott · 02/06/2025 07:40

'Unfortunately, we don't think it is possible for LGBT+ folks, and especially trans+ folks, or for gender non-conforming women to be able to coexist safely with the recent Supreme Court ruling. As the UK Supreme Court can only interpret legislation by Parliament rather than strike it down, the solution is new primary legislation that amends the Equality Act to clearly set out trans-inclusive definitions of ‘man’ and ‘woman’, as the original writers of that Act have said they intended. This would be a good opportunity to recognise non-binary, intersex and agender folks, who deserve equal recognition and protection under the law as well.
We believe any Equality Act reform should go further, however, to protect trans+ rights more fully, and to more fully protect disabled rights which were unintentionally rolled back by the Equality Act's passing. In the current climate, we think it's vital to fully protect medical and bodily autonomy for all, including LGBT+ folks, the disabled, the pregnant, kids, and prisoners. As soon as bodily autonomy, Gillick competence, and medical consent is undermined for one group, it is undermined for us all.
We have long argued for the technical process of obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate to be de-medicalised, and to enshrine Self-ID in law, as it is in Ireland, New Zealand, and Argentina - about twenty countries in all, all without incident.
While we are extremely proud of the Lib Dem achievement of Same-Sex Marriage in the last decade, that legislation pre-dated the existence of no-fault divorce in the law, so that Act should now be amended to remove the Spousal Veto for married trans+ folks transitioning. LGBT+ couples deserve fair and equal access to IVF treatment, and this should be provided for in law as well.
We strongly feel that the ban on puberty blockers should be scrapped at once, as should plans for so-called ‘chemical castration’, which surely have no place in a civilised society. On the other hand, we welcome announcements for a trans-inclusive ban on so-called ‘conversion therapy’ and expect to strongly support proposals that actually do that.'

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