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Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

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Windy23 · 31/05/2025 17:40

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

A general view of the Pride march in Brodick with a number of people carrying rainbow flags.

Police probe hate crime over removal of pride flags on Arran

Flags were taken down from Brodick's Main Street overnight ahead of the Arran Pride event.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

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FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:23

Windy23 · 31/05/2025 21:22

Hang fire, we've not had "literal violence" yet either.

The full entire card is 'you don't want us to eXissssT!!!'.

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:22

Windy23 · 31/05/2025 21:18

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed. Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians?

You've seen posts dedicated to collating sexually motivated crimes committed by trans people. Those crimes are relevant in the ongoing debate regarding single sex spaces. I think we've every right to collate those crimes.

Exactly. It proves that NO man is safe for us in ladies spaces, even those fully intact males who label themselves 'women'. A male is a male is a male. And their propensity towards violence and sexual assault doesn't change just because they re-badge themselves as women, as we've seen all too often and all too clearly. People like suggestionsplease don't like it when we show that a male is a male is a male and thinks and acts like a male. Even in a dress. It's about preserving womens and girls vulnerable safe spaces. From all males. No matter what they're dressed as. Because NO MALE can be trusted. And those that lie about themselves and misrepresent themselves are the ones who can be trusted the very least.

Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?
FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:16

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 21:09

😂 How long have you got?!

I have read posts about people "getting out their tiny violins" or saying "good riddance" to an article about trans people who are talking about leaving the country out of fear in the present climate.

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed. Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians? That there was a dedicated site out there collating all the crimes ever committed by lesbians in order to create an impression that we are all criminals?

I have seen widespread support for and hero worshiping of Posie Parker aka Kelly Jay Keen, who has called for landlords and employers to refuse housing and employment to trans people simply on the basis of their trans status.

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

It is a fact that some do have a fetish. They even post themselves 'half mast' in womens clothes. Or dressing as babies with a dummy in their mouth (if you don't believe me I can post 2 photos). Some of these people are. That's an ascertained fact. And by their own words. Are you calling them liars?

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed.

Because people like you say it 'nEvaH haPpeNs'. You deny that even one trans person could ever have ulterior motives or commit a crime. You make a Sacred Caste out of them. So we do this, to prove they are fallible humans like anyone else.

I don't recall KJK making the statement where she has formally called on ALL landlords and employers to refuse housing and employment to them. She stated she wouldn't, herself. That's her opinion only.

BundleBoogie · 01/06/2025 11:15

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:03

I usually attend Pride with a group of lesbians and bi women and no one has ever tried to exclude them that I’m aware of

If your particular group are happy to have their legal definition and protections removed then I’m sure you’d be very welcome at Prude. Some Pride organisations have explicitly stated they wish to exclude ‘LGB views’.

It started several years ago with a man who identifies as a woman Munroe Bergdorf having a group of lesbians wearing ‘pussy’ hats removed because it was ‘exclusionary’ to ‘lesbians’ with a penis. Many gay men and lesbians have since been physically attacked or excluded from Pride by trans activists.

Why would you support a group that does that?

TheCatsTongue · 01/06/2025 11:15

Hostility and hatred at a group must be so high if the most pressing issue is the removal of a Pride flag.

Police (in London?) investigated a rainbow zebra crossing because the skid marks from tyres were deemed to be hateful. The same police force had to send their horses to diversity training to be able to deal with the crossings.

And yet real homophobic hate crime (involving violence) goes uninvestigated.

BundleBoogie · 01/06/2025 11:11

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 10:59

If you attend pride in London in July I’m sure you’ll see thousands of lesbians, gay men and bisexual people like me proudly waving the Progress Pride flag. Are we all advocating violence by doing that?

Maybe unknowingly but you are promoting an ideology that denies the existence of sexual orientation. Which would be against your interests if you are lesbian or gay.

The trans lobby call for violence against women. Do you support them doing that?

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:08

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:06

Almost all of the L, G and B people I know would disagree with you.

So you admit they agree with homophobia and physical violence against women, then?

BundleBoogie · 01/06/2025 11:07

suggestionsplease1 · 01/06/2025 08:35

Don't be ridiculous.

Are you saying that homophobia never existed before the 'trans cult', as you put it? I can assure you it absolutely did, in much stronger and pervasive forms.

Mainstream awareness and acceptance of trans issues correlates with increasingly positive attitudes to gay people as well.

We know exactly who is fuelling hostility towards us, and it's not trans people.

Funnily enough, LGB acceptance had reached such a level by 2015 that Stonewall worried that they were out of a job. That’s why they decided then to focus on all things trans and totally throw LGB under the bus - campaigning for anti LGB law changes (that placed self declared ‘gender’ over sex in sexual orientation thus destroying all LGB legal protection) and as Nancy Kelley famously compared penis rejecting lesbians to racists.

It occurs to me that Stonewall then attempted to line up more work for themselves in the future by harming the public view of LGB by inextricably linking them with the wholly unreasonable and harmful demands of trans? Or is that giving them too much credit for strategic thinking?

Either way, the trans lobby are turbo charged homophobia.

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:07

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:03

I usually attend Pride with a group of lesbians and bi women and no one has ever tried to exclude them that I’m aware of

There are hundreds of examples like this. https://x.com/Belstaffie/status/1790130910710333519/photo/1

Only 2 years ago a group of lesbians with a lesbian flag where assaulted and hounded out of a parade. Because? ..... They had the LESBIAN PRIDE flag.

Yep. That is the only reason why.

https://x.com/Belstaffie/status/1790130910710333519/photo/1

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/06/2025 11:07

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:06

Almost all of the L, G and B people I know would disagree with you.

Do they condone violence against women and the transing of children then?

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:06

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:03

Unknowingly then, you are.

But if you know full well that that flag representing trans the gay away and committing physical violence against women - which is exactly what that flag represents, then yes, you are.

It's a Mens Rights movement flag and a homophobic flag. There is no excuse for any decent, warm-blooded, humane human being to wave that hate and violence flag. Ever. Ever.

Almost all of the L, G and B people I know would disagree with you.

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:03

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 10:59

If you attend pride in London in July I’m sure you’ll see thousands of lesbians, gay men and bisexual people like me proudly waving the Progress Pride flag. Are we all advocating violence by doing that?

Unknowingly then, you are.

But if you know full well that that flag representing trans the gay away and committing physical violence against women - which is exactly what that flag represents, then yes, you are.

It's a Mens Rights movement flag and a homophobic flag. There is no excuse for any decent, warm-blooded, humane human being to wave that hate and violence flag. Ever. Ever.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/06/2025 11:03

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:01

The very same trans people that give rape threats to feminists, that march saying decapitate terfs, that they'll pee where they want, that urinate on feminist statues (even one of Nelson Mandela, like, wtf has Nelson Mandela got to do with feminism?!??), that take pictures of themselves maliciously and vindictively rubbing it in womens faces that they 'marked their territory' in the ladies, and grinning triumphantly, so cause trauma to us?

THOSE trans people? You can keep them. You seem to have the same hate in your heart for the oppressed sex that they do.

Unless of course, those trans people you know are the vanishingly rare few that respect womens sacred safe single sex spaces. However given the level of hatred in your heart for us, somehow I don't think you'd associate with the decent ones.

To be honest, I'm not particularly impressed with the trans people who have no comment to make about any of that either.

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 11:03

LadyMary50 · 01/06/2025 10:58

You are either extremely naive or deliberately combative.The situation today for lesbians is far worse than it ever was in the 7Os when I and many others campaigned for gay rights.The trans activists openly prevent lesbians from pride parades,they have ruined lesbian clubs by insisting men are allowed to join.You have obviously submitted to the trans cult while throwing your sisters under the bus.You and your ilk have done more damage to lesbian rights and put them in more danger than the homophobia of the past.

I usually attend Pride with a group of lesbians and bi women and no one has ever tried to exclude them that I’m aware of

KnottyAuty · 01/06/2025 11:02

BackToLurk · 01/06/2025 10:13

Maddy must acknowledge that a man of 5 foot who says he’s 6’2” is in fact tall. Or Maddy is a monster.

Short phones are all evil!

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 11:01

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 20:43

The trans people I know are much nicer that the FWR posters spewing hateful rhetoric here; I have no hesitation whatsoever in wanting to support them.

The very same trans people that give rape threats to feminists, that march saying decapitate terfs, that they'll pee where they want, that urinate on feminist statues (even one of Nelson Mandela, like, wtf has Nelson Mandela got to do with feminism?!??), that take pictures of themselves maliciously and vindictively rubbing it in womens faces that they 'marked their territory' in the ladies, and grinning triumphantly, so cause trauma to us?

THOSE trans people? You can keep them. You seem to have the same hate in your heart for the oppressed sex that they do.

Unless of course, those trans people you know are the vanishingly rare few that respect womens sacred safe single sex spaces. However given the level of hatred in your heart for us, somehow I don't think you'd associate with the decent ones.

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 10:59

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 10:38

Haven't RTFT but it depends on what flag it was. Was it the traditional gay pride flag that 99% of the public would support? Or the so-called 'progressive' (coughcough) flag that includes the 'trans' part that is waved at rallies where male trans activists are openly calling for feminists, women and girls to be "punched in the face"?

The first would be a hate crime, imo, at least. The second would be removing a deeply offensive flag akin the the nazi flag that actively, boldly and proudly promotes physical violence against the vulnerable oppressed sex.

If you attend pride in London in July I’m sure you’ll see thousands of lesbians, gay men and bisexual people like me proudly waving the Progress Pride flag. Are we all advocating violence by doing that?

LadyMary50 · 01/06/2025 10:58

suggestionsplease1 · 01/06/2025 08:35

Don't be ridiculous.

Are you saying that homophobia never existed before the 'trans cult', as you put it? I can assure you it absolutely did, in much stronger and pervasive forms.

Mainstream awareness and acceptance of trans issues correlates with increasingly positive attitudes to gay people as well.

We know exactly who is fuelling hostility towards us, and it's not trans people.

You are either extremely naive or deliberately combative.The situation today for lesbians is far worse than it ever was in the 7Os when I and many others campaigned for gay rights.The trans activists openly prevent lesbians from pride parades,they have ruined lesbian clubs by insisting men are allowed to join.You have obviously submitted to the trans cult while throwing your sisters under the bus.You and your ilk have done more damage to lesbian rights and put them in more danger than the homophobia of the past.

Namechangeforobviousreasons100 · 01/06/2025 10:56

BangersAndGnash · 31/05/2025 18:18

Really obnoxious behaviour.
Including the fly tipping flags on the beach.

Lesbian and Gay people deserve better than to have their march sabotaged.

Suffragette flags, Adult Human Female banners, Palestine Flags, Star of David, and the Tufty Club. No one has the right to ban anyone else’s flag.

Bisexual and trans people, on the other hand….?

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 10:45

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 20:16

I am am I? I've seen FWR encourage and offer advice on the successful defacement of Pride flags, which is a crime.

And where have you seen that? I presume those people were talking about the misogynistic/homophobic section of the pride flag.

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 10:44

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 20:09

You've maybe not been reading FWR enough? It takes every opportunity to progress from transphobia to homophobia.

As opposed to those misogynists with femphobia who by their support of 'transing the gay away' are the very definition of homophobia.

thirdfiddle · 01/06/2025 10:39

"Some lesbians date transwomen"

well yes, when you redefine some straight women as lesbians because their male partners have a trans identity. When you mess with the meaning of words, it does become difficult to convey any information.

FlakyCritic · 01/06/2025 10:38

Haven't RTFT but it depends on what flag it was. Was it the traditional gay pride flag that 99% of the public would support? Or the so-called 'progressive' (coughcough) flag that includes the 'trans' part that is waved at rallies where male trans activists are openly calling for feminists, women and girls to be "punched in the face"?

The first would be a hate crime, imo, at least. The second would be removing a deeply offensive flag akin the the nazi flag that actively, boldly and proudly promotes physical violence against the vulnerable oppressed sex.

LadyMary50 · 01/06/2025 10:35

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 18:39

Putin and Orban would be proud of you, you have swallowed the rhetoric nicely 😂

I’ve been called a bigot,a nazis,a terf(quite proud of that one)a few more insults are water off this old terfs back.😂😂