Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

Yes, many lesbian groups have been taken over by trans activists and exclude actual lesbians who know that a lesbian cannot have a penis.

I refuse to fall for a trap set by someone who mistakenly believes that definitions comprised of inherently finite and limited language can ever encapsulate the complexity of lived lives

Yes. You appear to be denying that lesbians and gay men exist as a defined (therefore protected) entity. That would be homophobic.

I am in several WhatsApp lesbian groups based in Scotland, and understandably there is a lot of dismay about what has happened in Arran tonight.

Lesbians are female, by definition. (Obviously I'm not including trans women in that definition.)

Why would they not be allowed in female only spaces?

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You refuse to fall for a trap of your own making, you mean.

The definition of lesbian is finite unless you’re into the homophobic trans ideology definition.

You think men can be lesbians and you accuse others of homophobia. It’s the trap of your own definitions.

Did you quote the wrong post here?

My recollection is the collection extended beyond that definition.

Well yes to be fair, murder extends beyond that definition but was included.

Also I think the man who identifies as a woman who went on a rampage attacking people with a hammer but didn’t get a prison sentence because the judge was worried about where to put him (or similar reason). I don’t think that had a sexual motivation.

The same man also allegedly made public threats to harm Kellie-Jay Keen as it happens.

That'd a very long winded way of saying it's not necessary to have words for people who are exclusively same sex attracted.

And I think most people can see the lie of the land and where the homophobia exists here.

Especially because authorities are not collating these accurately on the basis of sex.

I refuse to fall for a trap set by someone who mistakenly believes that definitions comprised of inherently finite and limited language can ever encapsulate the complexity of lived lives.

trans people who are talking about leaving the country out of fear in the present climate.

Tbf that does sound a bit hyperbolic, no? In what ‘climate’? That where trans people feature in every programme from Antiques Roadshow to Chess Challenge. The BBC favour trans people, constantly featuring their point of view and ignoring women as much as possible and they even publish outright lies to further the cause of trans people. Police forces, the NHS and (a thankfully diminishing proportion) of the government are prepared to lie, bully and subvert due process in their favour. Exactly how is this ‘climate’ driving trans people away? I note that those who threatened to leave last year (or was it the year before) are still here.

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

I have seen trans activists deliberately writing rules and policies to enable such people and bullying and berating those who object. Arguably, her support for a double rapist who was to be placed in a female prison contributed to the end of her career.

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed.

Yes, there’s a website too - very interesting. It’s dedicated to collating the crimes committed by male people who claim a trans identity. It’s to highlight the obvious issues with giving these men free rein to enter women’s spaces and/or access women when vulnerable. Safeguarding is not hate btw.

I’m not sure lesbians have committed enough crimes to warrant a website or even a list. It’s intriguing that you would mention lesbians as a parallel example with male sex offenders who claim a trans identity - how did you link those two groups in your mind? Lesbians committing crime is very low on my ‘serious safeguarding issues’ list.

I have seen widespread support for and hero worshiping of Posie Parker aka Kelly Jay Keen,

Kellie-Jay has suffered unbelievable abuse from the trans activists - from summoning her for police interview 3 times, to doxxing her children to harassment at her home in person by a trans activist delivery driver and much more. I don’t agree with that particular point that she made but she has been unbelievably strong and is a huge driving force in the fight to regain women’s rights.

Still no actual ‘hateful rhetoric’?

@MissScarletInTheBallroom in Scotland it seems that a female lesbian refusing to have lady Penis in vagina sex is committing a hate crime.... but her then being raped by said Lady Penis owner, is just oh well, how bad too sad...

@suggestionsplease1 you refuse to define a gay person, a lesbian, and homosexuality because you know that by doing so using your ideology you will demonstrate your own homophobia. You follow and support a homophobic ideology and you’re now back here again accusing this forum of homophobia.

Typical hypocrisy.

The law is not binary.

My recollection is the collection extended beyond that definition.

Is the next step then collating lesbian sex crimes so that we are not permitted in single sex spaces? There are some people after all that would like to see that happen.

Let's get real though. The list of crimes committed by lesbians wouldn't be nearly as long, would it?

True.

According to the law, spray painting "I hate trannies" on a trans person's front door is a hate crime, but raping, murdering and dismembering a woman because you hate women is not.

Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians?

Can you define lesbian first, before I imagine such a thing.

Not till we've had 'do you want us to DIEEEEEE??!!!' Then it's bingo!

😂 How long have you got?!

I have read posts about people "getting out their tiny violins" or saying "good riddance" to an article about trans people who are talking about leaving the country out of fear in the present climate.

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed. Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians? That there was a dedicated site out there collating all the crimes ever committed by lesbians in order to create an impression that we are all criminals?

I have seen widespread support for and hero worshiping of Posie Parker aka Kelly Jay Keen, who has called for landlords and employers to refuse housing and employment to trans people simply on the basis of their trans status.

'in your mind' - is not the law.