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Flags removed ahead of Pride event = hate crime?

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Windy23 · 31/05/2025 17:40

Not sure how to feel about this. I don't agree with someone taking the flags down but is it really a hate crime?

BBC News - Hate crime probe after Arran Pride flags removed
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

A general view of the Pride march in Brodick with a number of people carrying rainbow flags.

Police probe hate crime over removal of pride flags on Arran

Flags were taken down from Brodick's Main Street overnight ahead of the Arran Pride event.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq3ekyjeveo

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MagpiePi · 03/06/2025 15:29

Windy23 · 03/06/2025 13:37

The flags offend me - was it "hate" to put them up? Can I have the person/ people who put them up investigated for a hate crime? If I say I'm lesbian and see them as homophobic will that make a difference?

Afraid not, you're the wrong flavour of LGBTQ.

Especially as lesbian = woman.
That has extra wrongness.

Windy23 · 03/06/2025 13:37

The flags offend me - was it "hate" to put them up? Can I have the person/ people who put them up investigated for a hate crime? If I say I'm lesbian and see them as homophobic will that make a difference?

Afraid not, you're the wrong flavour of LGBTQ.

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Beowulfa · 03/06/2025 10:54

Imagine going back in time to the 1980s and telling people that this amazing thing called The Internet was going to be invented in the future.

"What's it for?"
"We use it to explain to people that lesbians don't have penises."

WithSilverBells · 03/06/2025 10:16

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/06/2025 18:59

Sensible article by Mark Smith here from The Herald. A Pride hate crime on Arran? No, just a sign of where we are now | The Herald

Highest rated comment:
'Have polias alba found the creature that held up a placard stating decapitate terfs Now that is what I call a hate crime'

anyolddinosaur · 03/06/2025 10:15

The flags offend me - was it "hate" to put them up? Can I have the person/ people who put them up investigated for a hate crime? If I say I'm lesbian and see them as homophobic will that make a difference?

It may be theft if the flags are not returned, not sure where the "hate" crime comes in.

Datun · 03/06/2025 10:01

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 21:09

😂 How long have you got?!

I have read posts about people "getting out their tiny violins" or saying "good riddance" to an article about trans people who are talking about leaving the country out of fear in the present climate.

I have read posts describing trans people as sexually deviant and motivated by fetish, mentally ill, criminal.

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed. Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians? That there was a dedicated site out there collating all the crimes ever committed by lesbians in order to create an impression that we are all criminals?

I have seen widespread support for and hero worshiping of Posie Parker aka Kelly Jay Keen, who has called for landlords and employers to refuse housing and employment to trans people simply on the basis of their trans status.

I have seen posts dedicated to collating crimes that individual trans people have committed. Can you imagine if the same was done for lesbians?

I love this completely inadvertent giveaway that suggestions doesn't believe a bloody word they're saying.

According to the trans ideology that suggestions swears by, loads, if not most, of these men ARE lesbians.

That's the problem with not being able to keep your story straight.

KnottyAuty · 03/06/2025 09:32

PriOn1 · 03/06/2025 09:30

“We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.”

Unless they say they are not cis women. Anyone who says that is harangued and abused.

I think you’re ok if you say you’re a cis woman arent you? It’s if you say you’re a woman that you become a bigot.

ETA unless the person saying they’re a woman is a man obvs

PriOn1 · 03/06/2025 09:30

“We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.”

Unless they say they are not cis women. Anyone who says that is harangued and abused.

KnottyAuty · 03/06/2025 09:21

We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.

Thats such an odd statement to make isn’t it?
The complete opposite of what I’ve observed.
The statement TWAW or TMAM doesn’t allow for any complexity or nuance at all, or facts either. And “fuck the terfs” is most definitely into the category haranguing imo.

But I suppose if your belief system eschews basic biological fact, then any other inconvenient fact based observations can also be ignored?

I find it absolutely fascinating how these illiberal and authoritarian thinkers believe they are the liberal left. Women and homosexuals are no longer allowed to express opinion/choose their own identity without threats and hatred and thats not haranguing? Weird.

In our house DH just can’t get over that Shon Fae quote “enjoy your erasure” because those 3 words consciously and succinctly express the nastiness of this whole movement.

miraxxx · 03/06/2025 09:14

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 18:39

Putin and Orban would be proud of you, you have swallowed the rhetoric nicely 😂

Left out Trump, Musk and Modi! How could you slip so low? Do better.

FrippEnos · 03/06/2025 08:45

suggestionsplease1 · 31/05/2025 21:45

We exist, despite many people wishing that we never did.

We refuse to have our own identities used as a stick to beat ourselves with.

We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.

There are very few people that wish that you don't exist.

Its not that people are using your identity to beat you with, its that you are taking other peoples "identities" and forcing them to change to meet your ideology.

We make space for complexity without haranguing other people for their stated identities.

Really, the TRAs have been haranguing other people for their sex and trying to force people into labels of the TRAs making.

PaulKnickerless · 03/06/2025 08:08

The glad being torn down are unfortunate. If the police are saying it is a hate crime, perhaps there is an aspect to the case that is not being reported on.

It felt as though LGB acceptance was on the ascendant about 10 years ago. I remember our area held a pride march and there was widespread support from all ages, with many businesses, even churches, hanging out the rainbow flag. Then came sexual fetishes on public display, plus the ‘no debate’ trans rights activists to ruin it for everyone else.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 03/06/2025 08:01

Dear God, the poor horses

MagpiePi · 03/06/2025 07:52

GreenFriedTomato · 03/06/2025 04:48

@TheCatsTongue
The same police force had to send their horses to diversity training to be able to deal with the crossings

Sorry what??

I had to read the above several times and I'm still wondering if I've misread it

There is a video from a few years ago where police horses were spooked and wouldn't cross a pride flag on the road, in Sheffield.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/06/2025 07:51

What a good use of taxpayers' money and police time.

GreenFriedTomato · 03/06/2025 04:48

@TheCatsTongue
The same police force had to send their horses to diversity training to be able to deal with the crossings

Sorry what??

I had to read the above several times and I'm still wondering if I've misread it

Windy23 · 02/06/2025 20:32

Thanks @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g ,interesting article.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/06/2025 19:58

Odd, it works for me. It's an archived version of this article: https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/25206232.hate-crime-arran-no-just-sign-now/

Windy23 · 02/06/2025 19:56

I can't get that link to work @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/06/2025 18:59

Sensible article by Mark Smith here from The Herald. A Pride hate crime on Arran? No, just a sign of where we are now | The Herald

Dwimmer · 02/06/2025 13:57

KathyMalloryKicksAss · 01/06/2025 19:30

@WithSilverBells Personally, I’d like to see Pride ‘rested’ for a couple of years, a bit like The X Factor 😁
Let the grown ups take charge and turn it back into what it used to be.

Never going to happen mind you, but maybe in a few years the insanity will reset itself.

I’d like to see it stopped entirely.

outofdate · 02/06/2025 09:04

Were they the preferable Pride rainbow flags or the ugly Progress ones?

KathyMalloryKicksAss · 01/06/2025 19:30

@WithSilverBells Personally, I’d like to see Pride ‘rested’ for a couple of years, a bit like The X Factor 😁
Let the grown ups take charge and turn it back into what it used to be.

Never going to happen mind you, but maybe in a few years the insanity will reset itself.

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