Transpeople have the right to express themselves in whatever way they want but

It's a bit double standards though because women can wear what they want - trousers, suits, ties etc but men can't dress as they want 🤷

Park run isn't a competition

Park run isn't a competition

I kinda agree. Especially in the summer when all the women in the office are wearing linen shift dresses or thin floaty tops and the poor men are still in trousers, shirt and tie. It's definitely an area where the patriarchy isn't working for them. It's a bit mystifying that they haven't changed it - but I guess pride counts for more than comfort.

How come we don’t have the right to freedom of thought ? I commented on a ParkrunUK subreddit that I respect the right of a person to identify however they want, I’ll treat them respectfully, I’ll even defend their right to adopt whatever gender stereotypical appearance they want, but I have the right to believe a person cannot change sex. Told I was transphobic, didn’t understand science, and wanted to eradicate them from society. How come freedom of expression and thought is fine if it’s of one persuasion, but not of another ? One trans woman said she could look at porn anywhere, it was freely available, ‘didn’t need to look at women’s tits’ in a changing room. I might be prudish but that really is a bit icky, shoehorning porn into a discussion about women’s safety.
Anyway, I’ve complained to the moderators, let’s see where that gets me 😂

This is him:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/passenger-complained-great-western-railway-16330620

Ironically it was to a meeting (I think) about VAWG and they were representing a women's group? Refuge? or similar.
Because every women's organisation needs to be represented by a man unable to contain their desperation to browse an online sex shop while on the way to a meeting in the House of Commons 😑

Unless you are trans, then apparently it's the trans women who can wear what they like, as everyone is too scared to pointbout that their clothing is inappropriate. Like that bloke at the London trans rights rally a few weeks ago in the blue and pink outfit. A woman probably wouldn't wear that outside of the beach.

This is him:
https://www.mylondon.news/news/zone-1-news/passenger-complained-great-western-railway-16330620

Ironically it was to a meeting (I think) about VAWG and they were representing a women's group? Refuge? or similar.
Because every women's organisation needs to be represented by a man unable to contain their desperation to browse an online sex shop while on the way to a meeting in the House of Commons 😑

I kinda agree. Especially in the summer when all the women in the office are wearing linen shift dresses or thin floaty tops and the poor men are still in trousers, shirt and tie. It's definitely an area where the patriarchy isn't working for them. It's a bit mystifying that they haven't changed it - but I guess pride counts for more than comfort.

It's a bit double standards though because women can wear what they want - trousers, suits, ties etc but men can't dress as they want 🤷

Men can dress as they want, but if what they want to wear is a pencil skirt then I have the right to think they’re a bit odd.

Its a bit of a false equivalency because most women don’t really wear men’s clothes, they wear women’s clothes that are a similar style to men’s clothes, because those styles are more comfortable and practical. If a woman wore a men’s three piece suit and tie it wouldn’t fit well and would look a bit odd, the same as if a woman turned up to her wedding in a men’s dinner jacket and top hat, it wouldn’t fit properly and would be considered strange.

Very much seems to be about the need for affirmation from EVERYONE, and nobody is allowed to refuse

As per the festival one a couple of days ago - comms to reassure everyone that there will be plenty of mixed sex toilet (changing/shower?) provision and also some single-sex in line with SC ruling. Cue lots of backlash because trans people won’t be able to use the single-sex provision (or because they wont be able to use unconsenting people as affirming resources?) 🙄

People have the right to dress however they like, and I (and everyone else) have the right to judge people on the way they dress and present themselves to the world, and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

It's a conversation that runs:

GI : 'we are all different, some of us have different needs, we are all worthy of respect and equality in however we express ourselves in a progressive world, and I want my needs to be catered for'.

Women, homosexual people etc: 'Great, completely agree. I'd like mine catered for too though, because I have needs too and they're also different to yours, so we're going to need single sex and mixed sex for us to have that equality, because we're both worthy of respect. Ending this provision works for you, but not me.'

GI: 'No, we have to do what I want and you mustn't challenge my beliefs because then I feel like I don't exist, so that means you can't have what you need, at all, and if you were a good person you wouldn't want to do anything except please and care for me. Your needs don't matter, and when I said respect and equality I wasn't talking about you. And I'll take you to court and get you a police record if you resist or say anything about this, and make sure everybody hates you! Plus <disturbed sexual violence threats>'

Women et al: 'er so what you want is an abusive relationship, and the answer is fuck no. The law actually says this <proves it>'

GI: 'Law is hate! The law is wrong! Only evil people want rights, privacy and dignity themselves that gets in the way of me doing what I want!'

It's not a rational conversation. Other people's existential crises are not a reason to deprive others of equality and freedom.

Why would you judge people for dressing? Are non normative clothes (trying not use use the word gender!) problematic ?

Actually I understand where you are coming from gender roles are very strongly enforced.

But.