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Loretta Swit, who played ‘Hot Lips’ Houlihan on M*A*S*H, dies aged 87

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PlasticAcrobat · 31/05/2025 08:04

Anyone old enough to have regularly watched MASH will remember how relentlessly sexist and vile the scriptwriters and the two 'hero' male doctors were towards this character.
It was particularly infuriating because the male doctors, Hawkeye and Trapper, were supposed to represent all the virtues of humanity. And yet they reacted with typical male hatred and cruelty to an older woman in a position of some power (who tried to protect the younger nurses from their relentless womanising).

So it was interesting to read in this article, https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/may/30/loretta-swit-actor-dead , how Swit fought to bring some realism and depth to her character, and to combat the sexism. I seem to remember that the portrayal of Hot Lips did improve, but not enough to let the series off the hook for its sexism.

Reminds me of the viciously sexist portrayal of another nurse, Nurse Ratched in the film One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Of course, the critique of mental health facilities that that film (and book) provides is valid, and the abuses of mental health patients were/are real. But it seemed to me that the author, the director and especially the actor Jack Nicholson just LOVED putting all the blame for this abuse on some uppity bitch of an older woman (despite the - naturally - male-dominated nature of mental health care in the period).

I haven't even been able to bring myself to watch the Netflix series Nurse Ratched for this reason. Does anyone know whether it tackles the sexism of the film?

Loretta Swit, who played ‘Hot Lips’ Houlihan on M*A*S*H, dies aged 87

The actor, who won two Emmy awards, was best known for being one of longest-serving cast members on the hit series

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/may/30/loretta-swit-actor-dead

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Theunamedcat · 31/05/2025 08:22

I loved the scene where she burst in on the colonal and demanded her nurses stay during a particularly bad bombing campaign? (Not sure about that part but there was some reason they were sending the nurses away) I can take care of my nurses sir! Really resonated with me that she was so passionate about her role in the unit

Hated all the looking for love storylines apart from reinforcing what absolute cunts men were

DrJump · 31/05/2025 08:17

I've watched the series many times. I love hotlips. Particularly after she stopped seeing Frank. She became so much more her own woman. Ye si think they were sexist but there were real moments of admiration for her work in the series. It was also about a pretty sexist time written in a sexist time. Old episodes of The Bill are quite jarring for that too.
MASH was also showing the awfulness of war. I suspect the writers were not aware enough to be scripting the sexisim to show how awful that was too.

Farewell. Thanks for the laughs you had brilliant comic timing and such a screen presence.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/05/2025 08:13

Alan Alda also pointing out what she was up against. Her character faced appalling sexism

RIP Loretta

Loretta Swit, who played ‘Hot Lips’ Houlihan on M*A*S*H, dies aged 87
CuddlesKovinsky · 31/05/2025 08:13

Thank you for this. Looking back at this show - which we adored as kids - it's shocking to see the levels of misogyny, so it's interesting to see how she was affected by and sought to tackle this. That's a legacy right there.

PlasticAcrobat · 31/05/2025 08:10

AnotherName2025 · 31/05/2025 08:06

The woman has sadly died & this is what you choose to post about? God give me strength.

It's a quirk of Mumsnet that the first reply is often a gratuitous, shoehorned and unsuccessful attempt at being scathing. I wonder why.

Perhaps you should write to the guardian too, AnotherName, since they spent a few paragraphs on this issue.

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PermanentTemporary · 31/05/2025 08:08

RIP to her. Thank you, interesting post.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 31/05/2025 08:08

AnotherName2025 · 31/05/2025 08:06

The woman has sadly died & this is what you choose to post about? God give me strength.

Take a look at the name of the board lovey. Feminist analysis will happen here

AnotherName2025 · 31/05/2025 08:06

The woman has sadly died & this is what you choose to post about? God give me strength.

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