What is a Woman - Wesley Winter

I wonder if Starmer has seen this video or heard about it. When Barker was waffling on, it sounded like he was saying he knows Starmer on a personal level. And that he has TIM related sexual skeletons in his closet. Quite a damaging claim really.

100% this!
I thought the logic had completely left the scene when Baker came out with that?! A straight admission that they know they are male and knew they wouldn’t be arrested.

I still also don’t get the logic of demonstrating how vulnerable you are by getting your moobs out at Downing Street? To me that action is the polar opposite of vulnerability surely?

Vulnerable frightened women, don't stomp into London and get their tits out.
That's how you know they are simply narcissistic perverted men.
And to the 'queer' crusty dude who said they are just exposing themselves , making themselves vulnerable to show how vulnerable they are ...see my first comment above

And, I loved the young GC women on the second video. But it was such a shame to hear one of them say that unlike the others, she had nothing to lose now as she's already been kicked out of a role and branded a terf.
Could she possibly be supported to bring a case against Leeds Uni, if she hasn't already done so? She seems on the ball though so I assume she will have put something in motion

I only watched the first few minutes. They sound pretty confused about their own arguments, don't they? I know it works well to just let them talk without contradiction, but it's also infuriating. I just wanted to shout 'A woman is someone who embodies femininity?! Seriously?! So if a biological woman doesn't wear feminine clothes and act girly, she's not a woman?' Fgs.

@Iamnotalemming ha! I'm struggling today so I think your little typo is nothing compared to my nonsense posts

Doh I meant protestors not protectors ...

My comments were about this video. Not the OP's

Not sure why it's still saying it's age restricted . Wesley censored out the topless men and reposted. So it's all pixelated now

Edit- his comment about the fact there's children there. And likely their first time seeing fake breast enhancements. And they're on men! Way to confuse kids eh

Oops. This is the one I'm talking about. I'm getting my videos mixed up. I'm going to head over to the other thread now and apologise.
Damn I take a break from FWR for a few days and forget how to behave myself

Every time I hear them say 'they don't want us in public, they don't want us to exist' I want to scream! No one gives a shit as long as you behave decently which means not exposing yourself in public, not threatening people, not entering spaces that aren't for you. Aka womens..
Otherwise exist away!
So sick of these stupid claims.

Just watched this one too. All power to those counter protectors, so very articulate and sensible. 💪

No, no, you just need to catch Serena on the right day, see! And Rafa on the wrong day, with an achilles injury and a hangover.

When we hear the oft repeated "most vulnerable" it's never broken down is it? What does that mean? Lots of the young gender ideologists are likely very vulnerable. But not in the way that #bekind people and their ilk think.

I'm not someone who follows fashion. And I've had some dodgy looks in the past. Particularly haircuts and clothes that would get a side eye on the estate where I live. More punk mixed with hippy than anything else though..
As such I'm not one to criticise people's appearances but these protests look like a freak show.
Not a single normal sort of looking person there. Not one. They all pretty much look like they're in the throes of a psychotic crisis to me

This was great. As others have said, it's interesting hearing arguments in the wild rather than on Twitter. Many of these people won't be used to having their foundational arguments tested - it's not enough to talk about liberation, rights and inclusion, or the omnicause - you need to define and defend your case.

I am gender critical but this kind of open, questioning conversation would have given trans people a far better chance of winning hearts and minds than a decade of "no debate". I had a lot of sympathy for the older trans woman who spoke about therapy, and the passing long-haired blonde trans women. I can appreciate how destabilising the recent clarification must seem to them. Self-ID and the ever-growing trans umbrella have not done them any favours.

The problem is, we started out with be-kind and pronouns, which slid into self ID, which slid into men in women's sports, women's prisons, women's crime stats, men stealing women's prizes and men benefiting from programmes designed to lift women into equality.

Some interviewed still seem to think it's about relative trivia* - pronouns and bathrooms - and the only explanation for people not making such small concessions must be bigotry. They don't grasp that the outrageous overreach of members of their own community has led to this pushback.

*I know these aren't trivial and act as gateway drugs to the hard stuff, but I think if trans demands has been limited to pronouns and bathrooms for tiny numbers of people with diagnosed gender dysphoria, we could perhaps, maybe, have rubbed along.

I like Wesley's videos. He comes across as friendly and a bit naive and I think that's why he gets some of the TRA to engage with him.
I'm watching this one now and just got to the bit where he's spoken to the young terf who was at Leeds Uni, and he's now interviewing Alan Baker.
Just as he's going on about his terf fan club, a red double decker bus was coming up right behind him. I can't be the only one who was hoping it would now him down.

I wonder if it's because of "voice training". Like they've trained away their masculine voice but the voices they're copying are American so they pick up the American accent.

yes. you are right. 😁

And hearing Baker admit that if the topless protestors were women, then there would be real questions about legal ramifications makes my brain hurt. So, if police treat them as being men and ignore their toplessness, what does that signify?

I have not heard that any of them were arrested because they were topless or even questioned. So, the law treated them as male? Does this group take it as the law being transphobic then? Was this also a test to add to their list of how transphobic the world is around them?

Having seen both videos, I am surprised really at seeing so obviously flawed arguments continuing to come out again and again. It is like it cycles around.

And on his first video, am I just crap at picking accents or was there more protestors with US accents than you would expect to find in a London trans activist protest?

I did feel sorry for the pleasant and kind transwoman who clearly hasn't given an iota of thought to the fact that his behaviour isn't acceptable or fair. He seems very genuine and nice. But still undoubtedly a man.