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Times article: Hospital managers ‘ignore Supreme Court trans ruling’

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RoyalCorgi · 28/05/2025 19:40

NHS managers think they're above the law, apparently:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/18be21b2-89c9-4ce3-9710-41a818169159?shareToken=09d843ffb1bca59651ef8d92180a4cc0

And, in a nice touch, this is the same hospital where Nurse Jennifer Melle was disciplined because she referred to a convicted paedophile as "he".

Hospital managers ‘ignore Supreme Court trans ruling’

Bosses tell staff policies will not change until NHS England responds to the legal decision

https://www.thetimes.com/article/18be21b2-89c9-4ce3-9710-41a818169159?shareToken=09d843ffb1bca59651ef8d92180a4cc0

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/05/2025 01:17

The “automatic reason” is that single sex spaces are for that sex only, that’s the Supreme Court judgement. Also note the Jennifer Melle case where a Black nurse is taking St Helier hospital to court as she alleges they disciplined her for not using a paedophile man’s lady pronouns. He called her the n word. “People Officer” that.

NewForestMum123 · 28/05/2025 22:26

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/05/2025 21:58

How top is top, are we talking policy wonk top, because that would explain the reaffirmation of doctrine, if she's the one who's responsible for it.
CEOs and senior leaders often embrace DEI initiatives enthusiastically, driven by the allure of external recognition and awards. Such achievements can bolster their position during contract renegotiations, paving the way for more lucrative contract terms.
So how top is top.

Literally top. The one single person at the very top of the whole of HR. Despite the click-bait headline, the article just reads as though this woman was sending out a reassuring staff comms, likely sparked by something internal (the Trust I work at hasn’t even mentioned the ruling and I’m not sure there’s an automatic reason that they should have).

DragonRunor · 28/05/2025 22:26

I really hope someone (else) sues both the Trust and Victoria Smith personally, if her Trust (with her encouragement) breaks the law

As pp said, Chief People Officer is an entirely necessary role in an organisation employing (recruiting/training/paying/planning for) thousands of people. The article may make readers question whether she is discharging her duties appropriately.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/05/2025 21:58

NewForestMum123 · 28/05/2025 20:16

A Chief People Officer is a pretty standard role in large organisations. It’s just the term for essentially “the top HR boss”. Hard to run a company of thousands of employees (which most NHS Trusts are) without someone heading up that function.

How top is top, are we talking policy wonk top, because that would explain the reaffirmation of doctrine, if she's the one who's responsible for it.
CEOs and senior leaders often embrace DEI initiatives enthusiastically, driven by the allure of external recognition and awards. Such achievements can bolster their position during contract renegotiations, paving the way for more lucrative contract terms.
So how top is top.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/05/2025 21:38

It would basically be an admission of liability for them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/05/2025 21:36

RoyalCorgi · 28/05/2025 19:40

NHS managers think they're above the law, apparently:

https://www.thetimes.com/article/18be21b2-89c9-4ce3-9710-41a818169159?shareToken=09d843ffb1bca59651ef8d92180a4cc0

And, in a nice touch, this is the same hospital where Nurse Jennifer Melle was disciplined because she referred to a convicted paedophile as "he".

I guess this fact makes them on more of a sticky wicket than other NHS Trusts who haven’t discriminated against their nurses to pander to abusive racist male sex offenders who identify as women.

NewForestMum123 · 28/05/2025 20:16

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/05/2025 19:56

Thanks for sharing.

“group chief people officer” now that's a job that needs to go, in what way does that serve the core directive of the NHS, which is to provide care to people who are sick or injured and nurse them back to health.

Everything the 'people officer' said is a programmed response, she part of the hivemind, she just reading straight of the post-modernism script, how much is our we paying her, because it's way too much.

With any luck Nurse Jennifer Melle case will cost them so much they'll be forced to review their blatant disregard for the law.

A Chief People Officer is a pretty standard role in large organisations. It’s just the term for essentially “the top HR boss”. Hard to run a company of thousands of employees (which most NHS Trusts are) without someone heading up that function.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 28/05/2025 20:11

It makes me so bloody angry that the people who do this immediately jump to "we'd better not do anything right now in case it later turns out we were unfair to trans people" and never acknowledge that to avoid the possibility of being unfair to trans people and possibly not meeting their legal obligations to trans people, they are taking actions that mean they certainly will be unfair to women and certainly will not be meeting their legal obligation to women.

Or to put it more succinctly "we are happy to fuck over the women for sure rather than risk the possibility we might fuck over the trans people"

YourPerfectCousin · 28/05/2025 20:08

People Officer is one step away from Office of People from W1A.

TheOtherRaven · 28/05/2025 20:07

As always, starkly shameful that their wonderful performative values of 'dignity, compassion and respect' and their 'everyone' doesn't include women.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/05/2025 19:59

That includes our transgender staff, patients and community members, as well as those whose gender identity is non-binary or different from the sex they were assigned at birth.”

sex assigned at birth 🤪🤪🤪

I wonder if NHS England will get round to this before they’re abolished & staff dispersed

Needspaceforlego · 28/05/2025 19:58

Just wait until one of them ends up in court. Then they'll all change their tune.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/05/2025 19:56

Thanks for sharing.

“group chief people officer” now that's a job that needs to go, in what way does that serve the core directive of the NHS, which is to provide care to people who are sick or injured and nurse them back to health.

Everything the 'people officer' said is a programmed response, she part of the hivemind, she just reading straight of the post-modernism script, how much is our we paying her, because it's way too much.

With any luck Nurse Jennifer Melle case will cost them so much they'll be forced to review their blatant disregard for the law.