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Imane Khelif to box women In The Netherlands' Eindhoven Cup June 6-9

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fromorbit · 28/05/2025 08:48

It is going to happen again at the end of next week.

Details:
https://www.outkick.com/sports/imane-khelif-netherlands-eindhoven-box-cup

I hope the women involved drop out. Khelif is not safe.

Women's groups will be protesting the event.

Remember Khelif has still not taken any real legal action or taken another simple test to prove their sex.

Khelif will cause outrage across the world again.

Imane Khelif Set To Defend Title In The Netherlands' Eindhoven Box Cup

Ten months after a controversial gold-medal-winning run in the 2024 Paris Olympics, Imane Khelif is set to return to the ring at the Eindhoven Box Cup next week.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/imane-khelif-netherlands-eindhoven-box-cup

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ArabellaScott · 30/05/2025 18:54

Happy Friday!

Next: who will mount an investigation into why a man was allowed to punch women in the fucking face as AN OLYMPIC SPORT?

Iamnotalemming · 30/05/2025 18:54

Fantastic.

I wonder if IK will take the test or just threaten more law suits...

MarieDeGournay · 30/05/2025 18:51

ItsCoolForCats · 30/05/2025 18:18

World Boxing is to introduce mandatory sex testing, and IK is banned from boxing in female competition unless IK undergoes testing:

https://worldboxing.org/news/

Edited

That's great news!

AFrankExchangeofViews · 30/05/2025 18:48

Ah yes the Netherlands, where you can buy women in shop windows. Gross country.

murasaki · 30/05/2025 18:33

Good news, and particularly that if a result is under dispute, no fighting until it's resolved.

ItsCoolForCats · 30/05/2025 18:18

World Boxing is to introduce mandatory sex testing, and IK is banned from boxing in female competition unless IK undergoes testing:

https://worldboxing.org/news/

NEWS - World Boxing

https://worldboxing.org/news/

FrippEnos · 29/05/2025 19:41

I think that it maybe a work around in athletics/swimming, if there are enough lanes but I can't see it working in contact sports.
As you say due to the safety aspect of it.

Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 18:37

Maybe though WB will try a version of what the CIF has done, although the safety issue is still very much the concern.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5344420-california-interscholastic-federation-championship-and-male-athlete-policy-changes

FrippEnos · 29/05/2025 18:28

MarieDeGournay · 29/05/2025 17:57

World Boxing's very detailed governance and ethics policies look pretty good, so you'd imagine that a simple swab test for all boxers seeking to take part in women's competitions wouldn't be an issue for them.

The issue is that the WB is effectively the IOC.
By removing IK they will be going against their parent company.
Ironically if they did so it would probably cement their position over the IBA.

MarieDeGournay · 29/05/2025 17:57

World Boxing's very detailed governance and ethics policies look pretty good, so you'd imagine that a simple swab test for all boxers seeking to take part in women's competitions wouldn't be an issue for them.

fromorbit · 29/05/2025 17:52

Interesting developments if true!

Everelle Fern Remastered

🚨 According to Le Correspondant Imane Khelif is in big trouble before the EindhovenBoxCup as RealWorldBoxing is about to implement karyotype tests. Lin Yu-ting was already disqualified from a tournament in Thailand. Algeria is in panic mode.
https://lecorrespondant.net/boxe-feminine-testos-et-baston-diplomatique/

We're asking around if the news of Lin's disqualification is true. He posted on IG before the beginning of said tournament for the last time but nothing since then, so the news credibility is highly possible.

Boxe féminine : testos et baston diplomatique – Le Correspondant

https://lecorrespondant.net/boxe-feminine-testos-et-baston-diplomatique

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fromorbit · 29/05/2025 17:44

Reaction building:

Everelle Fern Remastered
For those who still doubt that Imane Khelif will participate in the EindhovenBoxCup
. These screenshots are from the IG account of the event, all comments which praises Khelif beating up women again are LIKED by the author of the post, i.e. the organizers of the event. Make no mistake - they won't just let him fight women, they WANT him to do it.
https://x.com/everelle_fehrn/status/1925542026759594444

Barry McGuigan
When is World Amateur Boxing going to address this unfairness, it’s a disgrace.

Riley Gaines has tweeted about it in the States.

Trump will probably pick it up soon.

All eyes are going to be on Eindhoven soon.

https://x.com/everelle_fehrn

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MarieDeGournay · 29/05/2025 16:45

Chersfrozenface · 29/05/2025 16:27

He wears a male boxer,'s groin protector - there are photos. The protectors worn female boxers are a different shape, for very good anatomical reasons.

Does he have much to protect in the groin area, though?

It's interesting to read that he has gone up a weight class - I pointed out during the Paris Olympics that he had already gone up a weight class from the Tokyo Olympics, and that for a biological male, that extra weight was going to be muscle and bone mass.

I quoted an unrelated interview I happened to see around the same time where a woman boxer said she had tried to go up a weight class, but it didn't work out because she just got heavier but not stronger, and lost fitness.

It was a perfect illustration of why Khelif in Paris, boxing as a lightweight, was more dangerous than Khelif in Tokyo, boxing as a welterweight and even moreso at ..what is he now, light middle?

Chersfrozenface · 29/05/2025 16:27

HelenaWaiting · 29/05/2025 15:59

He doesn't behave like a girl in a Muslim country. He doesn't dress like a Muslim girl. So I'm saying his pants are on fire.

He wears a male boxer,'s groin protector - there are photos. The protectors worn female boxers are a different shape, for very good anatomical reasons.

HelenaWaiting · 29/05/2025 15:59

Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 15:07

Oliver Brown has picked it up

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/05/28/imane-khelif-imminent-return-boxing-fresh-gender-row/

https://archive.ph/JApQ5

Oliver Brown
Chief Sports Writer
28 May 2025 10:36pm BST

here is some of it

“I see myself as a girl just like any other girl,” Khelif said in a recent interview. “I was born a girl, raised as a girl, and have lived my entire life as one.”
The 26-year-old has enlisted Kotinos, a Qatari PR company, to reinforce this message. Ahead of the planned Eindhoven comeback, they posted on Instagram: “When Imane lands a hit, enemy egos are sent straight to the graveyard.”

"Khelif’s defiance creates major potential problems for World Boxing, which has been provisionally approved by the International Olympic Committee to run the sport at the next Games."

"In February, the organisation promised to create a “fair playing field” for women, insisting that safety was “absolutely paramount”. But even though several opponents have complained that Khelif has immutable physiological advantages, with Mexico’s Brianda Tamara saying after a 2022 bout that she had “never felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, even in my sparring with men”, Boris van der Vorst, World Boxing’s president, has still taken no action to ban the fighter from the female category."

and

"Women’s rights groups are already arranging protests in Eindhoven to condemn Khelif’s involvement. But Eric van den Heuvel, a tournament official, was unrepentant. “She is allowed to box by the IOC,” he told De Telegraaf. “Who are we to say, ‘You are not allowed to participate’? Too bad it is mainly about her. Many more great boxing champions from strong countries come to our event.”

"Van der Vorst said: “We realise that this is a complicated and sensitive issue. We want to deal carefully with both the athletes who are personally affected and with the emotions of the people who have clear opinions about this. We expect to be able to provide more clarity soon.”

I don't hold out much hope for 'clarity' then.

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He doesn't behave like a girl in a Muslim country. He doesn't dress like a Muslim girl. So I'm saying his pants are on fire.

Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 15:07

Oliver Brown has picked it up

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/05/28/imane-khelif-imminent-return-boxing-fresh-gender-row/

https://archive.ph/JApQ5

Oliver Brown
Chief Sports Writer
28 May 2025 10:36pm BST

here is some of it

“I see myself as a girl just like any other girl,” Khelif said in a recent interview. “I was born a girl, raised as a girl, and have lived my entire life as one.”
The 26-year-old has enlisted Kotinos, a Qatari PR company, to reinforce this message. Ahead of the planned Eindhoven comeback, they posted on Instagram: “When Imane lands a hit, enemy egos are sent straight to the graveyard.”

"Khelif’s defiance creates major potential problems for World Boxing, which has been provisionally approved by the International Olympic Committee to run the sport at the next Games."

"In February, the organisation promised to create a “fair playing field” for women, insisting that safety was “absolutely paramount”. But even though several opponents have complained that Khelif has immutable physiological advantages, with Mexico’s Brianda Tamara saying after a 2022 bout that she had “never felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, even in my sparring with men”, Boris van der Vorst, World Boxing’s president, has still taken no action to ban the fighter from the female category."

and

"Women’s rights groups are already arranging protests in Eindhoven to condemn Khelif’s involvement. But Eric van den Heuvel, a tournament official, was unrepentant. “She is allowed to box by the IOC,” he told De Telegraaf. “Who are we to say, ‘You are not allowed to participate’? Too bad it is mainly about her. Many more great boxing champions from strong countries come to our event.”

"Van der Vorst said: “We realise that this is a complicated and sensitive issue. We want to deal carefully with both the athletes who are personally affected and with the emotions of the people who have clear opinions about this. We expect to be able to provide more clarity soon.”

I don't hold out much hope for 'clarity' then.

TheOtherRaven · 29/05/2025 14:19

This is what happens when the vaccuuous burble on about some men are women.

They're not. None of them are. This is a man who wants to batter women and is being enabled.

Lovethesparklylights · 29/05/2025 14:14

If I was the parent of a female boxer who was injured by a male, I would sue. I'd take it to court and find out when they were made aware he was male. And what their safeguarding policy was.

moto748e · 29/05/2025 13:30

So, this is, in part, a power struggle between the IBA and World Boxing? Sounds a bit to me the IBA might be on its last legs? Vilified for being under Russian control, with shiny new World Boxing set up to replace it. But surely both organisations would find Khelif an embarrassment?

OvaHere · 29/05/2025 11:10

Unbelievable that this is still going on. Everyone is aware of the situation now so they are enthusiastically, knowingly and wilfully putting women at risk.

viques · 29/05/2025 11:04

Let’s hope it doesn’t take a woman being killed or brain damaged by this man to make the Boxing authorities own up to their dereliction of duty in safeguarding their boxers.

It is turning boxing into a “sport” like bear baiting or cock fighting, with promoters, and unfortunately spectators, looking for blood not skill.

Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 10:59

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/05/2025 10:54

At this stage I imagine they know full well that Khelif is a male boxer with a DSD.

I think sadly, that they will fall back on denying that they know. They will maybe fall back on not having test results taken to their standards and that they have an inclusive policy anyway.

I think though that this will have to force World Boxing to make their position clear.

Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 10:57

Thank you fromorbit for this update.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 29/05/2025 10:54

At this stage I imagine they know full well that Khelif is a male boxer with a DSD.

fromorbit · 29/05/2025 08:57

Latest in last hour:

Jean Hatchet

Eindhoven cup have now removed their tweet proudly promoting the event with the image of Imane Khelif. They seemed so sure they could resist women’s pressure to expel him from the female event. What happened #EBC2025? You realised men hitting women isn’t as popular as you thought?

A mass protest outside the event on June 7th at 1.30 is already planned byy women's groups. Without the cover of the wider Olympics, it is going to be an interesting to see the scale of the protest and its impact.

A key fact needs to be pointed out that Khelif is now way MORE Dangerous and stronger he was at the Olympics because he went up a weight class so any women that faces him is running a far more serious risk. Fit men put on more muscle than women proportionally the heavier they get and more quickly.

Both Imane Khelif and Lin Yu Ting, the other cheating man at the Olympics in Paris 2024, have moved up a weight class. I think this is purely about the “unfortunate” optics of men beating women. These men and their support teams know that they don’t look quite as bad fighting taller and bulkier women. The disconnect visually with a man beating a woman is slightly less if the woman is heavier and muscle-laden. A little but not enough because 4 kilos doesn’t turn Khelif into a woman, it just makes him stronger.
https://jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/where-is-imane-khelif-still-hitting

From yesterday:
Imane Khelif’s imminent return to boxing likely to reignite gender row
Controversial Algerian set to make mockery of World Boxing’s claim it would create ‘fair playing field’ for women by fighting in Eindhoven

https://archive.is/gxfxV

It seems that women are pawns in a battle between different boxing authorities.

Dutch Boxing Federation to hold boxing tournament in Eindhoven despite IBA warning
The IBA has warned the Dutch Boxing Federation that it will have to face "repercussions" if they hold an "unsanctioned international event in Eindhoven"
The International Boxing Association (IBA) has warned the Dutch Boxing Federation that it will have to face "repercussions" if they hold an "unsanctioned international event in Eindhoven".

On Monday (May 22), the IBA suspended the National Federations of New Zealand, Germany, Sweden and The Netherlands for participating in the breakaway governing body World Boxing.
This suspension deprives the National Federations "of all membership benefits, including hosting of international competitions", according to the International Federation.
The IBA has claimed that the Dutch national governing body has "recklessly ignored the regulations" and sent an "official communication" that they will proceed with the event.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1137328/iba-dutch-eindhoven-cup-repercussions

The deleting of the tweet shows that Eindhoven cup are starting to panic. Help by spreading the word online.

Where is Imane Khelif? Still hitting women of course.

Eindhoven Box Cup 2025 - Imane Khelif.

https://jeanhatchet.substack.com/p/where-is-imane-khelif-still-hitting

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